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Unless your ground zero argument is that Tepper was the only voice for Young and everyone else was team CJ (which isn't at all accurate) then I can't get how you'd look at what Miller said and jump to "this was a Tepper pick". Young is the consensus pick and it was really only ever between two guys from what I've been hearing for weeks.

How'd you jump to that? Stuff I've been hearing is that while they may have really liked some other QBs, especially earlier, the more it went in the more they were convinced across the board is that Young was the guy. He's won them all over.

I could have done without hearing that voice. Thought it would be ok. Need to take another pill now

But that runt is going to be hoisting the Lombardi for us when he wins both the NFL and Superbowl MVP. He might have to have help lifting it, but he'll lift it, dammit.

Got to say it's kind of tempting.

Thanks a lot for the offer and I know you would, but I'm OK watching it around here (not Charlotte) Thursday night. Wife and kids know the drill.

Dont get me wrong. I've got enough to be happy. Don't need more than I've got. I've had more. Did better mentally without because of what it cost me in other areas. But thanks all the same. I'm blessed with all i need and really want.

Not enough money to go. it could be fun, but I don't have much of a desire to go back to KC. Short visit just for that would make it better.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to spin this favoritively for Stroud, especially. If you put stock in these scores prior to this report.

Fortunately for us, I think he is that high on our boards. They really like him.

Yeah there's no doubt that teams by this point have all the data they need, including S2 scores. While the score itself leaking out won't effect where Stroud is drafted, I think the decreased lack of positive comments and reports of him slipping is the real news and S2 scores known by teams as well as a couple things we may have heard whispered and a few things we haven't heard leaked yet but are known by teams may contribute to his supposed drop in stock. And I say supposed because it's quite likely that some teams may have never really been sold on him but whatever perceived stock that was there was all about media perception.

I think in the previous weeks it's more likely to have false stuff "leaked" intentionally, but there's some stuff that goes on inside franchise office walls, parts of legit conversations and bits of real information, that somehow slips out and if you're paying attention and know your sources you know what's real and not. I know I've been hearing stuff myself trickle out all along this year that has been really consistent, but it seems about this time of the year, right before the draft, that it starts to flow more. During the Rhule Era, it seems like it all shut down completely except signs of discontent from within. As soon as he's go e, though, it seems like things start to open up again. So basically, lots of stuff gets leaked leading up to the draft, and while there's a lot of fake poo that gets leaked, here's also legit stuff that gets leaked and needs spinning. If it needs a spin, it's probably legit.

There is an RB that they like a lot who isn't on that list, but he'll likely be gone so it won't really matter. I keep hearing Mingo brought up a lot too. I mean a lot.

I still believe that Levi's is the 4th best QB in this class, but I've all along believed that Levis is a natural fit in Indy...and that's not necessarily a compliment. I don't know who will be drafted ahead of him or who should be drafted ahead of him, but I think he will be a colt.

That's the problem, was it inaccurate then or now? I've got to believe that the closer we get to the day, the more accurate the leaks are going to be.

Ok....this tracks as well and when asked yesterday about the most recently released scores, one of the founders didn't refute it....instead he said essentially to not let it be the while picture. So it's more than likely that Stroud did score in a very low percentile on this test. Just don't let it control the narrative. It's a big part of it, but not the whole narrative....just like Young's size and AR's lack of experience isn't the whole narrative. https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/04/21/s2-cognition-test-nfl-draft-founder-says-leaked-scores-grain-of-salt-bryce-young-cj-stroud

Same. That game knocked all the wind out of my sails and I've been struggling to recover ever since. I'm legit excited again.

I guess thats whst I was getting at. It can help point to who has what it takes to succeed, but also who, cognitively, is going to struggle the most. Most of what I've seen is that those who do well have higher scores. Those who struggle the most have lower scores. I just am surprised that CJ is supposed to have a lower score.

If the score was 18 and the story Brady Quinn told about CJ ghosting Manning Camp was true.... I don't know what to think. Lots of QBs pass the eye test in college and have a good bit of success but then they get to the pro level and just can't get things to click for whatever reason. Could it be that the S2 could be an indicator of not just success but, more importantly, of a lack of success? I guess we'll find out.... if this stuff is true, that is. I do know that as the days go by I'd be less and less upset if he's not the pick. I'd still be happy if we get him, but I think I'd also be more nervous with that pick than Young.

So was the 18 score correct or not?

i think at this point it's going to be Young...and that's totally fine with me. But so also would be Stroud or even AR. i'm do have to admit i'm feeling more excited about Young, though.

gonna lock the thread. he might have have scored poorly, but we're not going by falsely leaked scores.

i think he'll still be really good.

but yeah...thundercat. some of the funkiest bass sounds/grooves out now.