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I think the biggest issue is what we have up to get him (2nd and 4th in '08 and 1st in '09). Hurney was a gambler and we lost Yes, there was no signs he would be injury prone or that he would not pay off, but he did only play 1 year of big time college ball. Dude was raw...a project. To give up so much for a project like him, you HAVE to be able to hit it. And Hurney didn't. That project blew up in all of our faces. It wasn't the injury that ended him, it was that the guy quit trying after he got injured. He just didn't care after he came back and didn't put the work in. Many people around the team at that time came to the same conclusion. Was he a "bust"? Don't know...don't care He was a failure. Drafting him when we did and giving up as much as we did was a monumental mistake hurney made that he kept repeating.

With Cam and Rivera, we should have kept Cam and replaced Rivera. But with the ownership and GM situation as it was, we probably would have wound up in the same place we were before.

I think there is something to that ,Andy Reid having not getting his ring until his 2nd QB after being the HC 6 years. I still think that the HC more often than not is the issue, but the HC/QB is something to really pay attention to. Just because an HC is winning a lot, and just because the HC/QB tandem might be doing well, doesn't mean it's the best for getting a ring. Just because they might have the best winning record the 5ean has ever had doesn't mean that it will be their best chance for a ring. It's a tough call, but if after 5 years you don't have a ring with the HC you've got it's time to re-evaluate, not give them another contract.

Show me what you mean

Agreed. I think our OL still needs some help, but I think we're way ahead of what he had in NY/NJ. That line was baaaaaad.

*Sigh* autocorrect failed me.

Should be easier having a coaching staff that creates a gameplan around how you play rather than constantly trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Should also be easier having a better core of players, including the best RB in the game there with you.

Or it could be that he actually means it and that they are familiar with each other because they were working out together while Sam was a jet.

Don't ask.

Hurney magic?

Every team does, but you're pretty much sitting in freakout mode 24/7. You might want to try counseling or something.

Good sign that he'll still be on the roster. The more he can do, the better the chances.

Lawdy, you've got issues.

Pretty safe to say he'll be more aggressive than TB. Of course the bar is laying on the floor with that one.

Very true. I think he won't be an INT machine, but he also won't be some perfectionist surgical strike guy. He'll gamble to make the big play, and I love it as long as he can make the big plays.

Yes.

I think we'd be far too boring...and that's ok with me.

I'll buy that projection, though I think he'll be a bit higher on the TDs. With those weapons he'd better be.

Just Sammy is fine.

For the haters....what would you suggest that would have widespread appeal and that everyone could sing along with?

Yeah I think you are right. I think Sam is really charismatic and very positive, which will be a big bonus for him, but I also see him as expecting a lot from himself and working to getting the best out of himself as well as everyone around him.

No...and he doesn't have to be to be good and effective. There's quite a few different types of effective leader. Cam's, to a degree, was unique to him. Same with Jake. I think both were great. Sammy will find his own voice...or maybe he has found it. If I had to guess, I would see Sam as being more closely resembling Rhule. The kind @MHS831 calls the Shepherd dog kind of leader.

I think he has the same impact Jake had coming in. I mean we had NO reason to believe in some scrub who couldn't hack it with the lowly saints and had to go play in Europe. I mean we had Rodney frikkin Peete here for Pete's sake. And we had recently drafted weinke...but Jake happened. All in all I see Sammy as a cross between Jake and Cam.