Josh Gordon may just be stupid

[Mr. Scot]

Well it sure didn't take long for the condescending smileys to make an appearance.

 

Fortunately there are a lot of people in the NFL who do not share your "one mistake and you are beyond help forever" mentality.

 

The smileys come out when someone says something utterly ridiculous or throws out goofy straw man arguments, like "casting them out of society" for example.  Please :lol:

 

And it takes multiple violations to get to the point of being suspended for a year or more, so we're not talking "one mistake".

 

Both Gordon and Blackmon were in Stage 3 of the NFL program, which means they were getting tested ten times a month and they still chose to use.

 

If you had millions of dollars riding on someone getting a job done, would you risk it in someone like that?  If so, remind me never to come to you for investment advice.

 

No one's casting them out of society.  They're just choosing not to hand a million dollar job with everything on the line to someone who's got a history of letting people down.

 

That isn't "society".  It's business.

[TheRed]

One mistake? 

 

1st failed test - no penalty but you are entered in the program

Stage 1 - 2nd failed test = fine

Stage 2 - 3nd failed test = 4 game suspension

Stage 3 - 4th and 5th failed test = 1 year suspension (you have to fail two tests while in stage 2 to move to stage 3)

 

 

So you are looking at a minimum of 4but more likely 5 failed drug tests, and this to you is one mistake? And now he has put himself in this situation, where he is speeding while in a car with someone who is carrying pot?

 

How can you not look at this and see that he is stupid?

 

Read the post I made above. Could he simply just be stupid? Of course, but I don't either of us can make that conclusion from here with little actually inside knowledge. Now we are going to roast him for going 74 mph on the highway? He's hardly alone in that...

 

That's like saying that my employer firing me for getting hurt while drinking or on drugs is too extreme.

 

Even though the handbook I signed when I took the job says that's what's going to happen, no excuses.

 

I hear you, I don't like the punishment, but Josh knew it, inside and out, and still made the choice.

 

That said, he was in a treatment program, paid for by the NFL, and chose not to adhere to it.

 

I am interested to know exactly what this treatment program by the NFL is. Do they actually help them, or is it more in name only?

[Mr. Scot]

Suspending him or anyone else the entire season for smoking marijuana is too extreme.

 

If it is a players second or third offense, get them in a treatment program, extra free time is the last thing they need.

 

They were in a treatment program.  It's mandatory when you're in the league's substance abuse protocol.

 

The program involves testing, in their case ten times a month.  And even in that environment, one failed test away from losing millions and letting everybody down, they chose to use.

 

But hey, let's trade a high pick, throw millions of dollars at them and build our offense on those guys, right?  I mean, what could go wrong? :rolleyes:

[TheRed]

Again you are missing the point. While I may agree that it is extreme, and it may very well change in the future, it is the current policy that is in place. You have to abide by it.

 

 

If you get arrested in NC for selling, or possessing marijuana, try going in front of a judge and say, "Marijuana isn't bad for you, so it should not be illegal. You shouldn't punish me for pot. It's jusst  pot after all." Let me know how that works out for you.

 

The legal/illegal debate is probably for another thread. We could go on and on forever about that.

 

The smileys come out when someone says something utterly ridiculous or throws out goofy straw man arguments, like "casting them out of society" for example.  Please :lol:

 

And it takes multiple violations to get to the point of being suspended for a year or more, so we're not talking "one mistake".

 

Both Gordon and Blackmon were in Stage 3 of the NFL program, which means they were getting tested ten times a month and they still chose to use.

 

If you had millions of dollars riding on someone getting a job done, would you risk it in someone like that?  If so, remind me never to come to you for investment advice.

 

No one's casting them out of society.  They're just choosing not to hand a million dollar job with everything on the line to someone who's got a history of letting people down.

 

That isn't "society".  It's business.

 

If either of them end up being cut or released or put up the trade block, there will be numerous teams lining up to acquire them.

[sharkkiller]

Read the post I made above. Could he simply just be stupid? Of course, but I don't either of us can make that conclusion from here with little actually inside knowledge. Now we are going to roast him for going 74 mph on the highway? He's hardly alone in that...

 

 

I am interested to know exactly what this treatment program by the NFL is. Do they actually help them, or is it more in name only?

 

 

Who cares about the speeding? He was speeding while someone had pot in the car. Listen carefully - His friend had an illegal drug on him, and he was speeding..i.e. giving the police a reason to pull him over. Do you not see the problem with that? Where could he possibly have been going that 14 miles an hour was important enough to risk his friend going to jail, or whatever happened? 

 

You have a rationalization for everything.

 

I guess since you were comparing him to Hernandez, if he got pulled over for speeding and they found a dead hooker in the trunk, you would have the same defense? "He was just speeding, geeze guys. Everybody does it."

[Mr. Scot]

If either of them end up being cut or released or put up the trade block, there will be numerous teams lining up to acquire them.

 

Doubt it'll be that many teams.  But accepting that premise, the same could be said of Ray Rice.

 

Does that do anything to lessen the fact that he did something incredibly stupid?

[TheRed]

They were in a treatment program.  It's mandatory when you're in the league's substance abuse protocol.

 

The program involves testing, in their case ten times a month.  And even in that environment, one failed test away from losing millions and letting everybody down, they chose to use.

 

But hey, let's trade a high pick, throw millions of dollars at them and build our offense on those guys, right?  I mean, what could go wrong? :rolleyes:

 

Elaborate on this treatment program. Is it simply testing and giving them a stern warning, or do they actually try to help them? Who said anything about trading a high pick? If either Gordon or Blackmon were to be traded, their value would not as high as it once was anyway.

[TheRed]

Doubt it'll be that many teams.  But accepting that premise, the same could be said of Ray Rice.

 

Does that do anything to lessen the fact that he did something incredibly stupid?

 

What does smoking some pot have to do with punching your soon to be wife unconscious? How is that even remotely comparable?

[Mr. Scot]

Elaborate on this treatment program. Is it simply testing and giving them a stern warning, or do they actually try to help them? Who said anything about trading a high pick? If either Gordon or Blackmon were to be traded, their value would not as high as it once was anyway.

 

http://images.nflplayers.com/mediaResources/files/PDFs/PlayerDevelopment/2010%20Drug%20Policy.pdf

[Jangler]

[Mr. Scot]

What does smoking some pot have to do with punching your soon to be wife unconscious? How is that even remotely comparable?

 

Well, using your logic, it can't be that big a deal because lots of teams would still line up to sign him.

 

Maybe we should try to trade for him.  What do ya think the Ravens would want? :unsure:

[TheRed]

Who cares about the speeding? He was speeding while someone had pot in the car. Listen carefully - His friend had an illegal drug on him, and he was speeding..i.e. giving the police a reason to pull him over. Do you not see the problem with that? Where could he possibly have been going that 14 miles an hour was important enough to risk his friend going to jail, or whatever happened? 

 

You have a rationalization for everything.

 

I guess since you were comparing him to Hernandez, if he got pulled over for speeding and they found a dead hooker in the trunk, you would have the same defense? "He was just speeding, geeze guys. Everybody does it."

 

We have no way of knowing as of yet if that was really his friends marijuana or actually his. You are making your own conclusion there.

 

Well excuse me for trying to apply some rational thought to this, and not immediately jumping to the conclusion that he is just a stupid drug addict beyond any and all help. So because we don't agree about drug use, you think I would defend a murderer? The hell man?

 

 

[TheRed]

Well, using your logic, it can't be that big a deal because lots of teams would still line up to sign him.

 

Maybe we should try to trade for him.  What do ya think the Ravens would want? :unsure:

 

You are smarter than this sir. Come on.

[fjblair]

Anyone who smokes is stupid.

 

That is an idiotic statement, even for the huddle.