The God's Honest Truth About Jake

[neverlosethefeeling]

I didn't say it is already but it is certainly moving towards that way. You can't point to many sucessful 'game managers' in recent years.

I don't understand..explain?

[KillerKat]

Give Tom Brady a struggling running game a and shut-down Randy Moss. What happens? A loss. Like today. To the Jets.

That RARELY happens. Brady has never had an elite running game. Jake had one last year.

Look at the years before Moss. Brady never had a elite reciever before him and still managed to be the best QB in the league. And oh yeah, won a few Super Bowls as well.

[Kevin Greene]

With the way football is becoming more pass oriented at every level, it will become extremely rare to see teams win consistently with average QBs.

Ck the Super Bowl winners the last nine years. Aside from the Colts whose defense went wild in the playoffs defense and running games win championships.

Pull your nose out of Drew Brees' bung long enough and you'd see that.

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history

Drew will win nothing again this year.

[KillerKat]

Comparing Marty Hurney to Matt Millen and Al Davis?

You've lost all credibility. Thanks for playing.

No im just busting your generalization that anyone with a front office desk knows what they're doing. Glad I could blow away that for ya.

[neverlosethefeeling]

No im just busting your generalization that anyone with a front office desk knows what they're doing. Glad I could blow away that for ya.

Panthers front office. I could give a rats ass about any other franchise.

I'm referring specifically to Marty Hurney and the Panthers scouts.

[KillerKat]

Panthers front office. I could give a rats ass about any other franchise.

I'm referring specifically to Marty Hurney and the Panthers scouts.

Which is why you just brought up Tom Brady and the Patriots a few seconds ago?

[neverlosethefeeling]

Which is why you just brought up Tom Brady and the Patriots a few seconds ago?

In the context of quarterback play.

Not front office decisions.

Two different things.

Clear?

[KillerKat]

In the context of quarterback play.

Not front office decisions.

Two different things.

Clear?

Ohh so you can bring up other teams to try to counter someone else's opinion, but others can't do the same to you. Gotcha.

[neverlosethefeeling]

Do you think Marty Hurney is as bad as Matt Millen and Al Davis?

[KillerKat]

Do you think Marty Hurney is as bad as Matt Millen and Al Davis?

Nope. They were just examples to counter your statement.

[Saint J]

Ck the Super Bowl winners the last nine years. Aside from the Colts whose defense went wild in the playoffs defense and running games win championships.

Pull your nose out of Drew Brees' bung long enough and you'd see that.

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history

Drew will win nothing again this year.

I never said you didn't need a defense or running game, I said you need MORE than an average QB to win consistently. Brady is not an average QB, Manning is not an average QB, Warner is not an average QB, Roethlisberger is not an average QB, all with the exception of Brad Johnson.

And I see someone is upset that his team is poised for 5-6 wins this year. pity.

[neverlosethefeeling]

Nope. They were just examples to counter your statement.

So then, is it fair to compare Marty Hurney to either of those guys? I believe your average run-of-the-mill general manager knows more than most any NFL fans. Even though we all claim to know sooooo much about football because we played it in high school, maybe college, and have watched it for years and years.

The argument was made that it's not unreasonable to want or expect a player like Tom Brady to lead the offense. I was making the point that even Tom Brady, under similar circumstances, loses a game.

[KillerKat]

So then, is it fair to compare Marty Hurney to either of those guys? I believe your average run-of-the-mill general manager knows more than most any NFL fans. Even though we all claim to know sooooo much about football because we played it in high school, maybe college, and have watched it for years and years.

The argument was made that it's not unreasonable to want or expect a player like Tom Brady to lead the offense. I was making the point that even Tom Brady, under similar circumstances, loses a game.

Do you not see the contradiction?

[neverlosethefeeling]

I never said you didn't need a defense or running game, I said you need MORE than an average QB to win consistently. Brady is not an average QB, Manning is not an average QB, Warner is not an average QB, Roethlisberger is not an average QB, all with the exception of Brad Johnson.

And I see someone is upset that his team is poised for 5-6 wins this year. pity.

So 28/32 quarterbacks starting in the NFL right now are not capable of winning consistently?