Gettleman

[heel31ok]

8 hours ago, run1stdownrun2nddown said:

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying all our starters are only backup quality? (Lol, I hope not)

It's not rocket science you hit on it first...

[panthers55]

On 11/26/2016 at 3:34 PM, stbugs said:

Lol. To use your big words. Your reply is stupid. Execution is based on coaching. As Roaring Riot said, clock management is why we had to settle for a FG. You can't see the forest through the trees. Cam had to spike the ball on 1st and 10 and then we kicked the FG on 3rd and 5. If we have our timeouts, which is clock management we have two more actual plays to get a first down and get closer and god forbid use Greg Olsen and Benjamin over the middle (they had 13 catches for 164 yards). Coaching is why we had to settle for a 50 yarder.

Also, coaching is why we put DA in position to throw an INT on 1st and goal. It's also the play calls that cost us a 37 yard FG attempt to close out the KC game

Amazing that people like you see only what they want. Those three losses are easy wins with better coaching. Good coaching helps players execute. Unfortunately, we tend to fall back on Cam and others and hope they execute plays when better calls and clock management would make the execution easier.

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And people like you always blame coaches for everything and act as if the coaches have much control over what the players do. If you haven't coached at any level I can see where it is easy to blame the coaches for players problems. If you have coached you know that it takes good player execution to turn any game plan into reality and there are pretty severe restriction in most circumstances where your time to coach them is limited. You can do your best in the time you have but in the end the players either make you look good or awful.  Unfortunately most coaches have little say on whose those players are and cant hire or fire them.  Sure there are better coaches than others but it isnt always the coaches fault for everything as you and others appear to believe.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Same on you. Some people ignore the glaring bad calls in the wrong situations and clock management issues. I have coached and understand your point but after all the games I've watched I see us getting out coached weekly and things only seem to work when the players make great plays.


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You see us being outplayed and assume it is all coaching. Yesterday on 3rd and short we throw a TD to Benjamin so great play and way to catch them in single coverage. But how many times do folks criticize the same play call when it doesn't work like earlier in the year. 

Play calling is evaluated as good or bad based on whether it worked or was executed properly by the players. A draw play on third down and 8 is judged good or bad based on whether you got the first down or not. If you don't make it then automatically it was a poor call . Conversely if you make it, at worse critics can only say that they wouldn't have called that play but it worked.

To try and criticize the play call without recognizing that execution determines the evaluation of that play, seems rather arbitrary particularly when you don't know what play was called and what adjustments Cam made or could have made. Execution includes Cam reading the defense and making any adjustments he thinks he needs.

Let's agree that coaching makes a big difference and we all know where coaches have come in and taken the same personnel and had better results than their predecessor. 

I bring up execution when people blame everything on the coaching because it isn't, either or, but both execution and play design that determine the success of a play.

As for clock management there have been mistakes for sure but that is not as much a coaching error as it is a delegation error.  Rivera has so many things he has to manage at any one time, he needs to delegate game tasks to various trusted personnel like an assistant whose focus is on the clock and informing  Rivera regarding circumstances and making instant recommendations.