Coaching is why Jarrett shows bust

[SMACKDAB]

Yeah we really can't develop a receiver. They suck here and go other places and do really well.

Name me 2 players who actually left us and turned our to be much better after they left, than they were here due to our poor coaching.

I asked the question first.....so you name 2 we did develop John Fox.

Moose was good outright, and Smitty had the heart to do anything he pleased.......so come on...tell me.

Secondly, it's hard to go somewhere else after being smothered here, buried on the depth chart, and amongst the roster/ps for years and years.

Better players come along, which means there is no need for our retreads.

That is how it is, and you know it, so don't give me that bullsh1t.

[panthers55]

I asked the question first.....so you name 2 we did develop John Fox.

Secondly, it's hard to go somewhere else after being smothered here, buried on the depth chart, and amongst the roster/ps for years and years.

Better players come along, which means there is no need for our retreads.

That is how it is, and you know it, so don't give me that bullsh1t.

Steve Smith has had all of his great years under Fox. Dante Rosario, Jeff King have all flourished under Fox especially for low draft picks. Barnidge, Moore and Goodson all have great potential which hopefully gets developed. Moose had his pro bowl year under Fox and after returning to us from Chicago has experienced a renaissance.

Now your turn, name 2 that we have failed to develop or hold back who went elsewhere and played well. What high daft pick other than Jarrett has Fox failed to develop.

[SMACKDAB]

Steve Smith has had all of his great years under Fox. Dante Rosario, Jeff King have all flourished under Fox especially for low draft picks. Barnidge, Moore and Goodson all have great potential which hopefully gets developed. Moose had his pro bowl year under Fox and after returning to us from Chicago has experienced a renaissance.

Now your turn, name 2 that we have failed to develop or hold back who went elsewhere and played well.

TE's....are you kidding me??? :rofl: As I stated earlier...about the only 2 WR's you named...had it to start with...they weren't developed.

KEY WORD DEVELOP. You are really disappointing me 55 with that weak ass list., and most from this year that include RB's and TE's. Not only that....the TE's you named, although are good for us, are in at the bottom of the league in stats.....so "flourished" is the last word I would use to refer to them.

[panthers55]

TE's....are you kidding me??? :rofl: As I stated earlier...about the only 2 WR's you named...had it to start with...they weren't developed.

KEY WORD DEVELOP. You are really disappointing me 55 with that weak ass list., and most from this year that include RB's and TE's. Not only that....the TE's you named, although are good for us, are in at the bottom of the league in stats.....so "flourished" is the last word I would use to refer to them.

You asked for 2 and I gave it to you. Again where is your list. I realize all you can ever do is attack other posts instead of create anything on your own. Smith wasn't even a receiver until Fox turned those duties over to him in 2002. And Moose still was tremendously productive even with Smith getting a big share of the passes. Not bad for a running team.

What do you have? Nothing.....................................

.............. like usual.

[SMACKDAB]

95-Michael Senters-WR -Northwerstern(5th rd)

96-Muhsin Muhammad-WR-Michigan State(2nd rd)

96-Donnell Baker-WR-Southern (7th rd

97-Rae Carruth-WR-Colorado (1st rd)

98-Donald Hayes-WR-Wisconsin (4th rd)

01-Steve Smith-WR-Utah (3rd rd)

03-Walter Young-WR-Illinois (7th rd)

04-Keary Colber-WR-USC- (2nd rd)

04-Drew Carter-WR-Ohio State- (5th rd)

07-Dwayne Jarrett-WR-USC- (2nd rd)

07-Ryne Robinson-WR-Miami(OH) (4th rd)

There ya go.......all drafted WR's by the Panthers.

I'm still waiting......and this tell me who left an went elsewhere argument if you want, but there is your list. How many were developed, and how many just had it to start with?????

This doesn't include FA pickups etc, etc....

You continue to use Moose, and Smitty, which I already gave you the reason for their success.....so stop. There is your list.....what was developed with this organization?

[God]

Who gives a big fug if Fox can develop a receiver, he sure as hell can't coach them on the field.

[Claws]

he catches everything thrown to him. at his size he doesnt have to be way open anyway. he can go up for jump balls. funny how he has to be wide open to get the ball but for moose or smith they can be double or tripled covered and jake still throws it to them.

That.

I like 80 and think he can contribute if given the chance. Put in a few design plays specifically for him. (wow, what a stupid idea that would be)

I don't think it's any doing of his. If you were at a job where it was obvious they weren't utilizing your talent, would you set the world on fire? How could you? What would you do?

It's crap that they don't do more with him.

Dude is a talent and half stud. as always, jmo.

[SMACKDAB]

You asked for 2 and I gave it to you. Again where is your list. I realize all you can ever do is attack other posts instead of create anything on your own. Smith wasn't even a receiver until Fox turned those duties over to him in 2002. And Moose still was tremendously productive even with Smith getting a big share of the passes. Not bad for a running team.

What do you have? Nothing.....................................

.............. like usual.

I didn't attack your post, nor your precious Fox, whom you can't enough of his nuts......but you still failed miserably on your attempts at telling me 2 WR's that were developed with this organization.

I already told you previously that Smitty had the heart to do whatever he wanted to do, and Moose was good from the get go.

So....carry on with your misguided dillusions if you must, but the truth...is the truth, and I just gave it to you year by year.

:cheers2:

[Claws]

I can't think of a S I N G L E WR who's been developed with this club, much less two!

jmo

[SMACKDAB]

One more thing 55....how many WR's has Fox drafted in his regime that are producing, and have ever produced?

/thread

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Obviously the coaching could be better but our lack of WR production probably has more to do with picking bad players rather than poor development. Unless you think Colbert and Jarrett were good picks in which case I don't know what to tell you.

[SMACKDAB]

Obviously the coaching could be better but our lack of WR production probably has more to do with picking bad players rather than poor development. Unless you think Colbert and Jarrett were good picks in which case I don't know what to tell you.

Look at list of WR's drafted above, not just in the Fox era, but for the entirety of this organization. Part of my point.

We actually had a couple of really good WR's that produced a WHOLE lot better that were drafted before Fox got here. We've had NOTHING since he got here. He hasn't drafted jack poo along the lines of a WR that can produce.

Even if we did.....they couldn't coach them to play, or they wouldn't be included in the play book....PERIOD!

:cheers2:

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I'm pretty sure Fox isn't 100% responsible for drafting WRs. I know we got a new head of college scouting a few years back. The drafts overall have been much improved since then but even the recent WR picks have been bad. Although we don't really have much to go on yet with only Jarrett and Ryne Robinson (whose really more of a STer).

[panthers55]

95-Michael Senters-WR -Northwerstern(5th rd)

96-Muhsin Muhammad-WR-Michigan State(2nd rd)

96-Donnell Baker-WR-Southern (7th rd

97-Rae Carruth-WR-Colorado (1st rd)

98-Donald Hayes-WR-Wisconsin (4th rd)

01-Steve Smith-WR-Utah (3rd rd)

03-Walter Young-WR-Illinois (7th rd)

04-Keary Colber-WR-USC- (2nd rd)

04-Drew Carter-WR-Ohio State- (5th rd)

07-Dwayne Jarrett-WR-USC- (2nd rd)

07-Ryne Robinson-WR-Miami(OH) (4th rd)

There ya go.......all drafted WR's by the Panthers.

I'm still waiting......and this tell me who left an went elsewhere argument if you want, but there is your list. How many were developed, and how many just had it to start with?????

This doesn't include FA pickups etc, etc....

You continue to use Moose, and Smitty, which I already gave you the reason for their success.....so stop. There is your list.....what was developed with this organization?

One again your post is convoluted and shotgun style with liitle substance or relevance. Of the ones you mentioned the only one that were drafted by Fox in the first 3 rounds that were busts were Colbert. Jarrett is looking that way as well but it is pretty common knowledge that most receiver take 3 years to develop.

And both Colbert and Jarrett have well documents issues with lack of motivation.

The point of this thread was that coaching has caused Jarrett to be a bust. Nothing you have said is even remotely related to that. My point was that if coaching was the problem then receivers like Carter and Colbert would have gone to other teams and flourished which they haven't. How about name one guy under Fox who we failed to develop who went elsewhere and flourished. Just one?????

The issue about not drafting guys with good potential to be a receiver may be valid but it is surely irrelevant to the thread. That has nothing to do with Fox or Cryst and Williamson.

Still if you continue to throw crap all over the wall you might eventually get something to stick. No matter how tangential or loosely organized.