The 34 and why it didn't work this year

[Matt62881]

I hate to tell you guys that think the 34 is bad and keek cant play in it we are probably still going to run it unless we get a old school coach. Keek and shaq regardless of getting mugged by olineman all year still finished at the top of the list in tackles, they are two of the best ilb in the league and keek is the best. The whole problem we had is we went in with no depth at 34 NT/DE. We had more then enough lbs that could play it! Poe in his prime would have been fine and KK is better at taking on olineman then given credit for. The 34 requires two front lineman to hopefully block two olineman a piece keeping the lbs clean and giving 1 DE and a lb one on ones. Thing is they both got hurt...we need depth. The hope is to force them into passing downs so you can take out one of the NT style DE and replace him with a guy like McCoy. Kk-NT-Poe or draft NT on run downs and KK-NT-Mccoy on passing downs.

[Harbingers]

That’s Hurney for you.

[Palmetto]

The same reason why the 4-3 didn't work prior to that

[Forty-Eight]

Hurney always suck at fixing the DL 

[Matt62881]

26 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

The same reason why the 4-3 didn't work prior to that

Exactly that's what some dont understand is the 43 would not have worked this year either...it is however slightly less demanding for personal especially big guys and Olbs but it's much more predictable. 

[Matt62881]

1 minute ago, Forty-Eight said:

Hurney always suck at fixing the DL 

I love our lbs actually, addison is awesome and Obada is ok but dont ask them to be primary run stoppers, in the 34 they are meant to cover or get the qb.

[BurnHurnBurn]

It didn't work because it was a bad idea hastily thrown together by a desperate HC.  This was compounded by having Marty as GM, and the cast of characters Ron assembled to be his staff.  It was compounded even further by injuries and the players not adapting to the new scheme.  

At this point, all was lost.  Not a thing in the world could be done to fix it in season.  The idea that we will keep the 3-4 is not logical.  Our defensive roster is stacked with 4-3 guys.  Less change would be required to go back than to shoehorn the 3-4 with bad personnel.  

If they think they are keeping Luke in the 3-4 he should demand a trade immediately.  

[Matt62881]

39 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

That’s Hurney for you.

To an extent but I do feel like they told him to transform the team in one year to the 34, he did great with pass rushers. Maybe in year 2 he can fix the run stoppers....it needs to be run stoppers and interior olineman. On offense he tried to fix the outside of the oline last year and 34 pass rushers on D.

[Matt62881]

6 minutes ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

It didn't work because it was a bad idea hastily thrown together by a desperate HC.  This was compounded by having Marty as GM, and the cast of characters Ron assembled to be his staff.  It was compounded even further by injuries and the players not adapting to the new scheme.  

At this point, all was lost.  Not a thing in the world could be done to fix it in season.  The idea that we will keep the 3-4 is not logical.  Our defensive roster is stacked with 4-3 guys.  Less change would be required to go back than to shoehorn the 3-4 with bad personnel.  

If they think they are keeping Luke in the 3-4 he should demand a trade immediately.  

I really dont get the thought that luke cant play in the 34, his assignments are almost identical. He was mugged by olineman this year, it will make any lb look worse, he would have looked bad in the 43 too...if you think he looked bad. He still played at a very high level and in the first part of the year was easily the best lb in the league.

[Forty-Eight]

Our 3-4 dline next year

 

 

 

 

[Forty-Eight]

DE: Kawann Short

NT: Danny Shelton - Leki Fotu

DE: Gerald McCoy

OLB: Brian Burns 

MLB: Luke Kuechly 

MLB: Shaq Thompson 

OLB: Von Miller

[Harbingers]

7 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

To an extent but I do feel like they told him to transform the team in one year to the 34, he did great with pass rushers. Maybe in year 2 he can fix the run stoppers....it needs to be run stoppers and interior olineman. On offense he tried to fix the outside of the oline last year and 34 pass rushers on D.

Every year he’s been GM this team has gotten progressively worse. 

Any good GM would have drafted the NT first as they take a year+ to develop. 

[Matt62881]

4 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Every year he’s been GM this team has gotten progressively worse. 

Any good GM would have drafted the NT first as they take a year+ to develop. 

Usually DEs taky a year or 2 to develop but NTs can come straight in especially top 10 picks. One of stars best years was his first and also his second.

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, Matt62881 said:

Usually DEs taky a year or 2 to develop but NTs can come straight in especially top 10 picks. One of stars best years was his first and also his second.

He was 4-3 not 3-4.