Here's an incredible John Fox stat

[Sam Mills Fan]

His all-time coaching record is 70-57. Pretty good huh?

However, people have been saying that Fox pads his wins once his teams have been eliminated from the playoffs so his seasons don't look so bad. So I went back and determined the exact week the Panthers from eliminated from the playoffs in '02, '04, '06, '07, and '09 to compare Fox's record when he's still alive for a playoff berth compared to when he's been eliminated. Here's what I found out.

2002

Before elimination: 5-9

After elimination: 2-0

2003

Alive the whole way: 11-5

2004

Alive the whole way: 7-9

2005

Alive the whole way: 11-5

2006

Before elimination: 6-8

After elimination: 2-0

2007

Before elimination: 6-9

After elimination: 1-0

2008

Alive the whole way: 12-4

2009

Before elimination: 5-8

After elimination: 2-0

Total

Before elimination: 63-57

After elimination: 7-0

So our bad non-playoff teams have actually gone 7-0 after they've been eliminated since Fox has been here and have a great chance at going 8-0 next week.

So Fox's mediocrity is easy to see PRE-elimination: His regular season winning percentage is only 52.5% pre-elimination.

However, once his teams are eliminated, his winning percentage shoots up to ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. There is nobody I'd want more than John Fox at coaching my team in meaningless games.

Let there be no doubt: John Fox is an absolutely average coach in every way that is a MASTER at getting his guys to play hard in games that are glorified preseason games.

[Guest DrewBreesIsGod]

very very good post. I equate what you guys are doing now to playing your last two holes in golf really really good and giving optimism even though the first 16 holes sucked. Unfortunately, all 18 holes count.

[Kurb]

SMF stat:: No matter what happens with the Panthers it's wrong if it is against his wishes

[pantherfool]

I'm glad you researched this because I was thinking the same thing earlier. My suspicions were correct that he "pads his stats" in meaningless games.

[Sam Mills Fan]

SMF stat:: No matter what happens with the Panthers it's wrong if it is against his wishes

Just bringing up a stat that I found extremely interesting. You can draw your own conclusions.

[HSCBandit07]

haha John Fox is great at getting worse draft picks with meaningless games

[Mekeritrig]

Pads his stats??? Are you expecting him to lose games just to spite the team? What a bunch of paranoid nonsense.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Pads his stats??? Are you expecting him to lose games just to spite the team? What a bunch of paranoid nonsense.

Call it whatever you want. He only turns it on when it doesn't matter. Take a look at the difference in the playcalling this season since we've been eliminated. The conservative play is gone and we've looked like world-beaters. If we were still in the playoff hunt though, would Fox be letting Davidson open up the playbook? No chance in hell.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Guys, I just discovered a blooper. We weren't officially eliminated from the playoffs in 2007 until Week 17. I'm going to update. Fox is actually undefeated after being eliminated.

[pantherfool]

Pads his stats??? Are you expecting him to lose games just to spite the team? What a bunch of paranoid nonsense.

My answer was "toungue in cheek" (don't know what that means? Google it). but I have noticed over the years that when we are out of it we seem to play the spoiler role very well.

[Mekeritrig]

^^ Yeah, I'm sure Fox tries to lose on purpose and then mysteriously attempts to win later on in the season. He must be getting paid off by Falcons and Bucs fans.

[KillerKat]

^^ Yeah, I'm sure Fox tries to lose on purpose and then mysteriously attempts to win later on in the season. He must be getting paid off by Falcons and Bucs fans.

No its just that hes so conservative before being eliminated, but after being eliminated he loosens up the play book and game plan.

[pantherpain]

He's a good coach, never quits and knows how to keep the team motivated to the end. Were lucky to have such a classy coach....blah blah blah ..... before all you Fox slurpers post.

[Mekeritrig]

No its just that hes so conservative before being eliminated, but after being eliminated he loosens up the play book and game plan.

Its fine to think that, but this thread just looks like people are questioning his effort and commitment rather than his abilities as a coach. Thats just asinine whining.