The Panthers won 1-2 Superbowls

[John Fox]

Go with me on this one. But both the wins were pre-Fox and pre-Hurney. If this were the case, would there be any doubt that both Hurney and Fox would be gone? Any?

[Lumps]

it is what it is.

[beasonfanclub]

what the hell are you talking about??????:confused:

[John Fox]

Jesus Christ, is it really THAT hard to understand?

[RSXNova]

To the guy who is confused. He is asking if Fox and co would be judged by past succes(Guys who won the superbowl for the panthers in 1987 and 1995 for example) instead of being the only succes.

[MurkN]

I'd go out on a limb and say that they would be long gone.

[Panthers128]

but we didn't win 1-2 super bowls

[rmoneyg35]

but we didn't win 1-2 super bowls

:banghead:

[Mesmer]

If we had already won 1-2 Super Bowls in our short history, and none of that staff was still here, I'd wager that Jerry Richardson was completely insane.

[Jangler]

but we didn't win 1-2 super bowls

Yes, but what if we had?

[Urrymonster]

I do not think so.

I think a lot of fans really do realise just how hard it is to win consistently in this league. There has not been one season under Fox that has asked for a firing, as all have been right on the edge of playoff football. The thing is, you probably need to look at other teams during Fox's time here, to realise that not many more teams have had more wins. Of course back to back seasons with winning records is important, but sometimes you need to look at the big picture and where the team is heading.

Somehow, the Panthers have never had to go through a rebuilding phase throughout all of Fox's tenure, which suggests he and Hurney are VERY good at preparing for whats coming next. Sure a couple of high profile players make people irrationally criticise them, but they are high profile because the players themselves were expected to do a lot better. 8 years without a rebuilding season and it certainly looks like another one is coming next year as the vast majority of our roster is young and very promising.

Coaches get fired for losing the locker room, catastrophic seasons and not having a 'plan' for the team. There have been no catastrophic season, the way we always finish strong suggests the players have never quit on him and no rebuilding year, suggests he always has a plan for the team.

I fully agree that his time here is done, but up till now there simply has not been a cast iron reason to sack him. Past success or not. I only think his time here is over, is simply because it's a good time to part ways. Wiht his contract expiring, the potential lockout and the roster looking set for the upcoming future, it's a logical time to allow someone new and fresh take over the reigns and have time to tinker and tailor the already promising team into a contender.

[csx]

Yes, but what if we had?

then the Super Bowl winning staff would still be here

this is a stupid question

[NFL Executive]

I dont understand this constant bashing of Fox and Hurney... Mind you we have had our most successful seasons under these two guys. Has it ever occurred to anyone that the reason they continued to start Jake was because they felt that was their best chance of winning? Out of 32 teams in the NFL, we have been more successful than about 3/4 of them over the past 6 season. We could be the Redskins/Browns/Bengals/Raiders/Dolphins/Jaguars/Seahawks/49ers/Lions/Rams/Chiefs/Broncos/Texans/Jets Bills... But instead we have been a better team than all of the above the past 6 years... In fact, over the last six years we have been better than the Bucs/Falcons/Cardinals/Saints/Vikings/Bears/Titans and Ravens... that leaves only a handful of teams that have been better than us in the past 6 seasons.

SO STFU ABOUT FOX AND HURNEY... You guys who are calling for their heads are complete morons! There are very few teams that have had our success over the past few seasons and the ones that have, have been blessed with really good QBs. No, Fox/Hurney should not be fired. Look at the list of teams we have been better than! We have made it to a Superbowl and another NFC championship game! We have been drafting like champs, and while everyone moans about trading our 1st Rd pick, they did it because they felt it

A. Gave them the best chance to win

B. Got us J-Stew and one of the better O-linemen on our roster!!!

Yeah, what a bad move picking those guys and trading away a first.

STFU! Trust me, Marty and Fox know much more about football than anyone on this forum! Thats why they are in the NFL and you guys are posting in forums about the NFL. Are you getting paid for this? Have you turned a 1-15 team into a Superbowl team in 2 seasons? NO, NO, and HELL NO!

Get of Fox and Hurneys backs. Once again, we have a solid shot at making playoffs this year if we stay healthy. Then the posts pour in "were we wrong about Fox last year?" Again I will shake my head...

[CatfanMO]

If we had already won 1-2 Super Bowls in our short history, and none of that staff was still here, I'd wager that Jerry Richardson was completely insane.

Agree