Why I hope Hurney Stays

[KillerKat]

If the reason were drafting good now is because of the current head scout, then shouldnt the reason we drafted bad in the past, be blamed mostly on the then head scout, Sofli instead of Hurney?

How can you attribute the current drafting to the Director of College Scouting and not the past drafting? If Gregory receives credit for our good drafts the past few seasons, then the previous Director should receive the blame for the bad drafts, shouldn't he?

2 guys cant do their job for 4-5 years. 1 guy leaves and a new guy comes in place but still works with the other guy that cant do his job. Success arrives. Who you think should get the credit? Certainly not the one that couldnt do it before. I think Gregory is picking up most of Hurney's slack. The guy before him couldnt.

[KillerKat]

Yes. So if you go back to the OP, you can agree with those arguing the point.

lol exactly. Whatever they have to say so that their boy Hurney isn't shown in a negative light. But actually they kinda are doing that. Logic is a bitch.

[Brandon]

2 guys cant do their job for 4-5 years. 1 guy leaves and a new guy comes in place but still works with the other guy that cant do his job. Success arrives. Who you think should get the credit? Certainly not the one that couldnt do it before. I think Gregory is picking up most of Hurney's slack. The guy before him couldnt.

Let's go over some facts before I enlighten you as to how wrong you are.

Fact 1. It takes 3+ years to fully evaluate a draft class, at best. Case in point- Deangelo Williams.

Fact 2. General Managers hire scouting personnel.

Fact 3. General Managers can typically only go off of what the scouting department gives them for information.

Fact 4. Everyone in the scouting, coaching and personnel department are involved with draft choices.

Fact 5. Since you will never give credit to Fox or Hurney, this is more or less for my own enjoyment.

Hurney hired Softli and they had some decent draft classes but the scouting department struggled with any pick after the first round. Unfortunately many of these players didn't really wash out immediately, they showed a little promise here and there before eventually being cast off. Hurney realized Softli wasn't working out so they went with Gregory instead. Not only was he of the same mind as Hurney and Fox as to what kind of personnel the team wanted, he was much better at scouting potential late-round picks. Obviously this wasn't evident to us until recently.

Now, were the decent but mediocre drafts at the start of Hurney's tenure entirely on Hurney or Softli? Obviously in your mind all blame lies on Hurney and Fox. Unfortunately for you it's actually mostly on Softli. No matter how good you are, bad information will prevent you from doing your job well. So once Gregory got in he was able to properly evaluate players.

Is Hurney the best GM in the league? No. But he is one of the better ones and it would be a huge mistake if we let him walk.

Oh and a couple more facts. Hurney didn't hire Softli and just look at the Rams' drafts for why Softli takes a lot of the blame in this situation...

[Baschski]

2 guys cant do their job for 4-5 years. 1 guy leaves and a new guy comes in place but still works with the other guy that cant do his job. Success arrives. Who you think should get the credit? Certainly not the one that couldnt do it before. I think Gregory is picking up most of Hurney's slack. The guy before him couldnt.

Lol so when Softli was here, it was him AND Hurney jointly responsible for bad drafts. But now that Gregory is here, it is completely and ONLY him responsible for the good drafts? Your biased reasoning is getting ridiculous.

EVEN IF Hurney is to blame for poor drafting in the past, then he at least deserves credit for going out and hiring someone to do a better job. I'd say a GM who recognizes a weakness in the organization and does what is necessary to significantly improve in that area is doing his job.

[Baschski]

Yes. So if you go back to the OP, you can agree with those arguing the point.

Clearly the discussion has evolved from the OP and we are talking about a different but related subject. When people communicate on an online forum, that tends to happen.

KillerKat is trying to blame Hurney for bad drafting in the past, but refuses to give him credit for good drafting in recent years. That doesn't make sense. Either the drafting is attributable to the Director of Scouting or it's not. You can't attribute it to the GM during years when it was bad just to attempt to strengthen your argument. You are correct in arguing that Don Gregory has done a fantastic job since he got here and is mainly responsible for our success in the draft. Given that, we have to give Hurney the credit for hiring Don Gregory and thereby significantly improving our draft. The blind bias against Hurney is distorting logic in this thread.

[DickolausJ]

I think yall took it a little to far but there were some good posts along the way. I don't know who is owning the drafts for us, but for the last 5 years I have been very happy with them.

So....If it aint broke, don't fix it.

[PantherDude]

If the reason were drafting good now is because of the current head scout, then shouldnt the reason we drafted bad in the past, be blamed mostly on the then head scout, Sofli instead of Hurney?

Let's go over some facts before I enlighten you as to how wrong you are.

Fact 1. It takes 3+ years to fully evaluate a draft class, at best. Case in point- Deangelo Williams.

Fact 2. General Managers hire scouting personnel.

Fact 3. General Managers can typically only go off of what the scouting department gives them for information.

Fact 4. Everyone in the scouting, coaching and personnel department are involved with draft choices.

Fact 5. Since you will never give credit to Fox or Hurney, this is more or less for my own enjoyment.

Hurney hired Softli and they had some decent draft classes but the scouting department struggled with any pick after the first round. Unfortunately many of these players didn't really wash out immediately, they showed a little promise here and there before eventually being cast off. Hurney realized Softli wasn't working out so they went with Gregory instead. Not only was he of the same mind as Hurney and Fox as to what kind of personnel the team wanted, he was much better at scouting potential late-round picks. Obviously this wasn't evident to us until recently.

Now, were the decent but mediocre drafts at the start of Hurney's tenure entirely on Hurney or Softli? Obviously in your mind all blame lies on Hurney and Fox. Unfortunately for you it's actually mostly on Softli. No matter how good you are, bad information will prevent you from doing your job well. So once Gregory got in he was able to properly evaluate players.

Is Hurney the best GM in the league? No. But he is one of the better ones and it would be a huge mistake if we let him walk.

Oh and a couple more facts. Hurney didn't hire Softli and just look at the Rams' drafts for why Softli takes a lot of the blame in this situation...

Clearly the discussion has evolved from the OP and we are talking about a different but related subject. When people communicate on an online forum, that tends to happen.

KillerKat is trying to blame Hurney for bad drafting in the past, but refuses to give him credit for good drafting in recent years. That doesn't make sense. Either the drafting is attributable to the Director of Scouting or it's not. You can't attribute it to the GM during years when it was bad just to attempt to strengthen your argument. You are correct in arguing that Don Gregory has done a fantastic job since he got here and is mainly responsible for our success in the draft. Given that, we have to give Hurney the credit for hiring Don Gregory and thereby significantly improving our draft. The blind bias against Hurney is distorting logic in this thread.

Well said, you 2. I think KK refuse to give credit to Hurney on anything because we didn't kept his boy, Pep, here & that Hurney gave Jake too much money before he was release a year later, which is more on Pep tieing up Hurney's hands. Hurney isn't perfect, so he can't always make some choices fans will like. But I think he done more good than bad. He's also good at signing our rookies before they holdout by the time the reg. season start. Remeber what happend with Beason? He was close to not attending TC at all or even play the first game, but Hurney was able to signed him & he was the best LB we ever have since Morgan & Mills.