Barry Bonds

[Johnny Rockets]

could ryan howard get out of the way of anything. if they hit threw ham sandwiches his way he might be fine. heck kruk would still be playing then lol.

Unfortunately Ryan Howards bat gets out of the way of many a breaking ball.

[bubbadawg]

metal bats are just awful. The crack of wood against the baseball is music made in the heavens and recreated on earth

Pitchers and catchers report in 1 day 19 hrs 44 minutes.

And there will be joy across the land for baseball is returning

[dimbee]

The second the Feds go after him, you let me know and Ill carry the flag for him too. Dont hold your breath though, thats usually reserved for black superstar athletes. I think A-Rod'll be good in that regard.

How about Miguel Tejada?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/10/tejada.charged.ap/index.html

Hey, Hispanics are the new minority, you know...

[King Taharqa]

How about Miguel Tejada?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/10/tejada.charged.ap/index.html

Hey, Hispanics are the new minority, you know...

I'm still waiting for you to comment on A-Rod.

[dimbee]

I'm still waiting for you to comment on A-Rod.

At least he had the gumption to admit to his sins... something BB has yet to do and probably never will do.

For the record, I'm sick of all of the steroid-era players and wish MLB would throw out all of their artificially-inflated stats/records, A-Fraud included

:boxing_smiley:

[Mr. Scot]

For the record, I'm sick of all of the steroid-era players and wish MLB would throw out all of their artificially-inflated stats/records, A-Fraud included

On this, we agree.

I think at the very least, every player who's been implicated ouught to have an asterisk next to their records; Bonds, A-Rod, Clemens, and everyone else included.

[Johnny Rockets]

On this, we agree.

I think at the very least, every player who's been implicated ouught to have an asterisk next to their records; Bonds, A-Rod, Clemens, and everyone else included.

What about the NFL players.?..Merriman, Peppers, the 70's Steelers (and pretty much every other team from that era).......

[King Taharqa]

What about the NFL players.?..Merriman, Peppers, the 70's Steelers (and pretty much every other team from that era).......

Its different for baseball. They have a rich legacy of high character guys that the other sports dont have, and its been tarnished forever. Look at HOFers like Ty Cobb, Rogers Hornsby, & Tris Speaker. Cobb was a bigot that attacked black people and Hornsby & Speaker were klansmen that hated jews & catholics. Putting guys like Bonds, Clemens, & A-Rod beside guys like that devalues the Hall IMO. I can say with full certainty that if guys like Cobb and Speaker were playing today, no way would they try to gain a competitive edge, they were all class.

[dimbee]

Its different for baseball. They have a rich legacy of high character guys that the other sports dont have, and its been tarnished forever. Look at HOFers like Ty Cobb, Rogers Hornsby, & Tris Speaker. Cobb was a bigot that attacked black people and Hornsby & Speaker were klansmen that hated jews & catholics. Putting guys like Bonds, Clemens, & A-Rod beside guys like that devalues the Hall IMO.

There's a monumental difference between being a piece of poo of a person and being a cheater, KT, when it comes to professional sports.

Bonds and Clemens, alike, just happen to fit both molds

[King Taharqa]

There's a monumental difference between being a piece of sh*t of a person and being a cheater, KT, when it comes to professional sports.

Bonds and Clemens, alike, just happen to fit both molds

Dimbee research some of the guys in the Hall who've admitted to using "greenies" an illegal amphetamine that carries more jail time than illegal steroids and is currently considered a banned substance in MLB. Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and Mickey Mantle are just a few of the HOFers who've either admitted to using or got caught using during their playing days. Ty Cobb & Tris Speaker were not only bigots, but were banned from baseball in 1926 for throwing baseball games in 1919. Thats the same offense that got Shoeless Joe banned for life, yet they were later reinstated. This notion that "cheating" didnt start in baseball until 2000 is a joke. But hey, most people get their history of the game from ESPN and have never looked in depth at the game's troubled past or picked up a book detailing it. You'll be surprised what you might find. Nevertheless, I'll put a cool million up that Bonds, A-Rod, & Clemens are all Hall bound. Bank it!

[Mattiekrome]

Dimbee research some of the guys in the Hall who've admitted to using "greenies" an illegal amphetamine that carries more jail time than illegal steroids and is currently considered a banned substance in MLB. Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and Mickey Mantle are just a few of the HOFers who've either admitted to using or got caught using during their playing days. Ty Cobb & Tris Speaker were not only bigots, but were banned from baseball in 1926 for throwing baseball games in 1919. Thats the same offense that got Shoeless Joe banned for life, yet they were later reinstated. This notion that "cheating" didnt start in baseball until 2000 is a joke. But hey, most people get their history of the game from ESPN and have never looked in depth at the game's troubled past or picked up a book detailing it. You'll be surprised what you might find. Nevertheless, I'll put a cool million up that Bonds, A-Rod, & Clemens are all Hall bound. Bank it!

I just wanna know where you got that sweet ass avatar... UTZ chips FTW...

I like the Chesapeake Bay Seasoned "Crab Chips"... :drool5:

[Mr. Scot]

What about the NFL players.?..Merriman, Peppers, the 70's Steelers (and pretty much every other team from that era).......

I wouldn't really have a problem with it, but it's valid to say that football is nowhere near as stat driven as baseball.

If I were to ask you the name of the leading passer, rusher, sacker, tackler, etc. you might know some of them. Others, you'd float a couple names in your head and say "probably one of those guys". But baseball fans love their stats and stat leaders.

Likewise, stats aren't as big a deal when it comes to choosing hall of fame football players. They're a huge part of the baseball equation.

[Johnny Rockets]

I wouldn't really have a problem with it, but it's valid to say that football is nowhere near as stat driven as baseball.

If I were to ask you the name of the leading passer, rusher, sacker, tackler, etc. you might know some of them. Others, you'd float a couple names in your head and say "probably one of those guys". But baseball fans love their stats and stat leaders.

Likewise, stats aren't as big a deal when it comes to choosing hall of fame football players. They're a huge part of the baseball equation.

Won't get an argument from me, I figured that was going to be your response.

[King Taharqa]

The Barry Bonds perjury trial has just been sent into the justice system equivalent of an indefinite rain delay.

Federal prosecutors on Friday notified a judge that they will appeal a crucial order barring the use of perhaps their strongest evidence against baseball's home run king, effectively putting next week's scheduled trial on hold for what is expected to be at least several months. While Bonds' lawyers plan to fight the delay, a visibly frustrated U.S. District Judge Susan Illston conceded at a hearing earlier Friday that it appeared "automatic'' that a government appeal would force her to postpone the trial.

Bonds' lawyers immediately asked Illston to reject the request to delay the trial.

The case is now headed to the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which will consider the government's argument that Illston improperly excluded key evidence, including three positive steroids tests that prosecutors allege came from Bonds in 2000 and 2001. Bonds faces 10 counts of perjury and one count of obstructing justice for allegedly lying to a federal grand jury in December 2003 about using steroids as he chased baseball's home run records.

Prosecutors are in their current predicament because the linchpin of their case, Bonds' personal trainer Greg Anderson, has steadfastly refused to testify. Anderson appeared in court again Friday and reiterated that he will not testify during the trial, prompting Illston to warn that he must appear next Wednesday and will be jailed for the duration of the trial for contempt if he remains silent.

For now, the Anderson drama will be delayed as well while the government's appeal unfolds. Legal experts overwhelmingly agree that it will be difficult for prosecutors to prevail in the appeals courts, which are ordinarily reluctant to tamper with a trial judge's pretrial rulings on evidentiary issues. Illston excluded the steroids tests and doping calendars from Balco linked to Anderson and Bonds because, without Anderson's account, there is no direct evidence tying the material to Bonds, rendering it hearsay.

http://www.mercurynews.com/sharks/ci_11800545

Bonds continues to make the Government look like dumbasses. After 5 years of investigation now they're begging for a delay to the trial and more time to corroborate their lies. Maybe the Feds can use the book Game Of Shadows since its been taken as pure fact with "overwhelming evidence" Bonds used steroids. :smilielol5: The lengths we'll go to to destroy a rich black man who hits baseballs for a living. LOL.