OK ENOUGH. Can't we just be realistic about Jimmy Clausen?

[mav1234]

First off that's not exactly a huge difference in passing numbers. And second....the actual passes themselves. Matt's passes when he did make them, looked a lot more decisive and accurate. Jimmy's looked eratic today.

And second, the reason his stock went down is Jimmy played BETTER last week than this week.

You mean when Moore overthrew three surefire touchdowns? edit: admittedly many of 'em weren't 100% on him, but yeah.

Again, you said Moore looked MORE accurate, not equally. The worst you can say about Clausen today is that he wasn't more accurate than Moore was really... but if you look at his second half, it really changes all that.

Sure, he played better last week than he did in his first half. Ok, so he played 1 good quarter, then 2 bad quarters, then 2 good quarters. Can we agree on that? I really think that Clausen looked far better in the second half than he has all season so far (including the preseason).

[Cat'sGrowl]

Whatever man. Everyone on this board knows you are the LEADER of the Clausen cheerleaders.

:smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

Ah, I just read about this the other day.

That's what makes it funny.

The number two sign your losing an argument: You start making stuff up.

Nice, though!

[Swarly]

Peyton Manning's stats in his first 5 games:

1,129 yards, 4 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, 11 sacks. should they have benched him for his backup or let him continue to play and get better throughout the season? he ended up throwing 26 touchdowns, 28 interceptions, and 3,700 yards that season.

Not comparing him to Manning, just saying rookie quarterbacks do NOT have pro bowl seasons. He needs to be in there starting games to get experience for next season. Clausen is a rookie, and he played like one. Moore is a 4 year veteran who is obviously not going to play here next year. Start the quarterback who is 100% going to be here for the next several years.

[PantherFanForLife]

You mean when Moore overthrew three surefire touchdowns?

Again, you said Moore looked MORE accurate, not equally. The worst you can say about Clausen today is that he wasn't more accurate than Moore was really... but if you look at his second half, it really changes all that.

Sure, he played better last week than he did in his first half. Ok, so he played 1 good quarter, then 2 bad quarters, then 2 good quarters. Can we agree on that? I really think that Clausen looked far better in the second half than he has all season so far (including the preseason).

Jimmy did the same thing today. But on top of overthrowing, Jimmy also UNDERTHREW guys a lot today too. He underthrew Smith. His pass to Gettis was behind him, and Gettis had to bend down to scoop it up. And the passes he did complete were mostly on the sidelines. That's worrysome. He needs to use the entire field.

When someone said Jimmy was going to run the 2 minute drill in the 3rd quarter...he wasn't kidding. That's what that drive looked like.

And I would like to know what's up with these mis-snaps. That's 3 on Jimmy between last game and today. Does our center hate him?

[mav1234]

also. I should note, all I'm arguing is that he appears to be improving as a player, not that he is the "future." I hope he is, but that is also what I hoped for Moore. =( It's too early to make such a judgement as you say, but not too early to be excited about his potential!

[mav1234]

Jimmy did the same thing today. But on top of overthrowing, Jimmy also UNDERTHREW guys a lot today too. He underthrew Smith. His pass to Gettis was behind him, and Gettis had to bend down to scoop it up. And the passes he did complete were mostly on the sidelines. That's worrysome. He needs to use the entire field.

On one of the Gettis throws, Gettis slipped, got up, and then had to find the ball... Clausen threw the ball before gettis slipped.

I do not know if that is the one you are talking about.

Also, yes, I agree, Clausen had some accuracy issues today, just as Moore has had. the difference is, I saw a dramatic increase in his passing efficiency as the game went on.

[PantherFanForLife]

On one of the Gettis throws, Gettis slipped, got up, and then had to find the ball... Clausen threw the ball before gettis slipped.

I do not know if that is the one you are talking about.

Also, yes, I agree, Clausen had some accuracy issues today, just as Moore has had. the difference is, I saw a dramatic increase in his passing efficiency as the game went on.

I didn't see Gettis slip in the one I'm talking about. And my biggest worry with Clausen is the same one I have always had that everyone wanted to avoid pointing out:

Leadership. Game Management. Getting the team behind you.

Didn't see it. Matt was better at that. Jimmy did not give me that "I'm the man" feel out there today, which is something most people were saying we would see. He didn't show me that. He looked like a kid out of place.

And I'm NOT saying he looked lost. He was deffinitley there. He just didn't have the team WITH HIM.

[bleys]

y'all kill me... lol

Want to look at something realistically? Clausen is a rookie.. the only thing occuring this season is experience to our younger players.. realistically, everyone should chill out and hope no one gets injured this year...

alcohol is your friend..

[mj4life]

I didn't see Gettis slip in the one I'm talking about. And my biggest worry with Clausen is the same one I have always had that everyone wanted to avoid pointing out:

Leadership. Game Management. Getting the team behind you.

Didn't see it. Matt was better at that. Jimmy did not give me that "I'm the man" feel out there today, which is something most people were saying we would see. He didn't show me that. He looked like a kid out of place.

And I'm NOT saying he looked lost. He was deffinitley there. He just didn't have the team WITH HIM.

how do you expect him to gain leadership if he doesn't play, alot of people wont be here next year(moore is one of them) so let him play no matter what

[PantherFanForLife]

how do you expect him to gain leadership if he doesn't play, alot of people wont be here next year(moore is one of them) so let him play no matter what

Stay on the bench your rookie year. Play your lights out during practice to the point where you EARN your start cause you are outplaing our starting QB. Be respectful to the veterans. Stop looking for attention on Twitter while the team's present QB is getting benched.

That would be a start.

[House]

While Jimmy has yet to prove himself, Moore was nothing less than horrible at his time as QB. If you think differently you were not watching the same games as everyone else.

Matt Moore:

Had a lot of trouble in the pocket. He was never comfortable there and could not control the pocket with his feet at all. Left his OL out to dry in pass protection with his inability to move into or around the pocket. I watched him get sacked in the TB game on a 7 step drop because he dropped and sat. He never moved back into the "hole" that was created once the DE's got too far upfield. When you give a DE an angle like that to get to you, it makes it almost immpossible for the OT's to block them.

Moore also had a tendency to leave the pocket too quickly. Once you bolt from the pocket, your OL is no longer able to block for you. You are once again screwing them over and setting them up for a holding penalty.

On his drop back Moore was holding the ball too low. Instead of up by his shoulder, he was holding it around his gut. This makes your release about twice as long as it should be, this was something he was NOT doing last year. Don't know why he started doing it.

Moore decision making was slow and his field vision was bad. Once he saw an open man, he would hesitate. By the time the ball got out, he was no longer open. Moore was very bad at reading the break in a WR's route and anticipating when he was going to come open. He had trouble diagnosing what the D was trying to do during passing situations. He also tended to want to loft his throws, especially in the first game. Moores accuaracy was inaddequate to all points of the field. He rarely took what the D was giving and just go to the checkdown.

All in all, there was very little if anything that was positive about Moores time as a starting QB for the Carolina Panthers. Biggest concern was there was NO improvement at all from game 1 to game 2.

Jimmy Clausen:

Jimmy is a rookie and made rookie mistakes. His accuracy the first half was not good. He seemed to be a bit indecisive on where he wanted to go with the ball at times. He fumbled a snap because he was too jittery and pulled away from the center too quickly. He locked onto his recievers too quickly and stared them down for too long.

However, Jimmy improved quite a bit in the second half. His accuracy and decision making improved. He looked more in control of his "jitters".

Jimmy is also stellar in the pocket. He makes it a lot easier for his OL to block for him. He seems to know where in the pocket he needs to be to get that extra half second of blocking. He holds the ball well and his release is clean. He looks downfield first and is not adverse to throwing it underneath if nothing presents itself downfield quickly. He seems to be able to read a D a little better than Moore does at this point in his carreer.

He still had issues with locking on to targets, something that is fixable. He seemed to be able to read the break in a WR's route but was locked on so the DB knew he was going there. The INT to Smith was proof of this. If Jimmy hadn't of been locked on right there, Smith would have had seperation. Needs to work on this.

All in all, the simple fact that Clausen improved from the 1st half to the 2nd is a big positive. There is work to be done to improve his game before he becomes anything near elite, but the potential is there. This was a tough first test for a rookie QB, rainy day against a very good secondary. If he is willing to put in the time then Clausen has the abilities to be very good one day.

[Cat'sGrowl]

y'all kill me... lol

Want to look at something realistically? Clausen is a rookie.. the only thing occuring this season is experience to our younger players.. realistically, everyone should chill out and hope no one gets injured this year...

alcohol is your friend..

But But But!!

Matt Moore was 6-2 as a starter!

I just don't like Jimmy's leadership qualities even in spite of the fact that every report from the locker room is that he's taking charge and trying to get the players around him to rally!

[PantherFanForLife]

But But But!!

Matt Moore was 6-2 as a starter!

I just don't like Jimmy's leadership qualities even in spite of the fact that every report from the locker room is that he's taking charge and trying to get the players around him to rally!

You are waking up.

[Clawsome2]

PantherFanForLife..........something is fishy here, you wouldn't happen ACTUALLY be Matt Moore would you? I wouldn't be suprised, I seen far worse. I hope your renting in Charlotte, market is bad, hope you didn't buy anything longterm.