Is the QB the only thing anyone cares about anymore?

[PantherFanForLife]

2001-Chris Wenkie 4th round

2002- No QB drafted

2003-No Qb Drafted

2004-No Qb drafted

2005- Stefan Lefors 4th round

2006-No Qb drafted

2007-No Qb drafted

2009-No Qb drafted

2010- Jimmy Clausen 2nd round ; Pike 6th round

2011-Luck (if declared)

In one decade we have only drafted one high round QB. And three others between the fourth and sixth. We also have never had two, consecutive years this deacade where we drafted a Qb up until (possisbly) now.

You forgot Armanti Edwards and giving away a 2nd round pick for him. I wasn't talking about long-term history but the sick amount of draft picks we used on these guys last year, and then possibly again this year.

That's too many in a short period. I would have actually preferred it if we had drafted just one every year. Instead of potentially using 5 picks in 2 years.

[bbell21]

Try it again:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/1/5/1917041/jed-york-and-trent-baalke-just-left-49ers-hq-together

[AceMan]

I don't, and frankly I WOULD be disappointed with us finishing 7-9 next year. Again it's a scenario where we have to take him if he's available, but given the choice I would easily take quantity of above average quality at various positions.

Get ready to be disappointed. That would be a nice improvement for this team in the division we're in

[PantherFanForLife]

Try it again:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/1/5/1917041/jed-york-and-trent-baalke-just-left-49ers-hq-together

Meltdown in 3...2...1

[bleys]

History disagrees with you. Our coaching and play-calling have been pretty consistent over the years, but our results have never been this bad because of those.

Fox has always been conservative, and we have never had great offensive play calling, but we have had much better results in the past. The only reason they are on the list is frankly because they have been the same this past year. With all the changes on the team, something should have changed in the coaching and play calling, and that was the biggest problem. They remained largely the same even though this was a completely different team with the exception of one or two games where Fox got a little desperate and tried a few things too little too late.

But it's no secret that any team going through a coach's last year, rarely ever has a good season so yeah that could have been ranked higher. I don't care how they talk up the fact of how it doesn't affect things, it ALWAYS DOES!

'07, playcalling didn't help our issue at QB.. such was the case this year.. there are other factors, no doubt.. but when you aren't getting the results at QB and you have taken a huge hit on the OLine, you have to adapt and adjust and our history with FOx proves that is an uphill battle..

our history actually helps show that Fox is unable to adapt his game plan around the players on the field..

and when you have a rookie QB and rookie WRs and a bad OLine, he rather still pass the ball long than try to get his rookie QB and WRs in sync by shorter passes, some slants, some screens to help loosen the defense and create momentum..

[chef17]

If you want me to place it in order, I personally thought it was like this:

1. Inconsistency at ALL LEVELS

2. Lack of leadership from veteran players especially on offense

3. Lack of protection by our O-line

4. Lack of a solid WR threat(We had one guy, and then that one guy had his worst year)

5. Inability to return the run game to form and make it a threat

6. HORRIBLE special teams play, especially throughout the first 6 games.

7. Coaching fiasco

8. QB(includes turnovers).

9. Playcalling

10. Inconsistent defense.(Gave up the big play when we needed them most)

That's how I would rank it.

Some may say play-calling was a bigger factor, and while I agree it sucked, its execution was far worse than its conception.

If we fix number 8, while not taking care of 1-7, I expect another similar record to 2-14. If we fix 1-7, even if we don't fix number 8, and go with the same guys, I still think we can have a shot at a winning season.

Teams blitzed us constantly because our QBs sucked, which worsened the protection of our oline. Smith had his worse season because he didn't get the ball, a result of our QB. Our run game suffered partly because teams didn't respect our pass game, due to our QB. So by solving number 8 you help solve 3, 4, and 5. You are ignoring the fact that a QB will solve more than one problem.

[MaineManPanther]

You forgot Armanti Edwards and giving away a 2nd round pick for him. I wasn't talking about long-term history but the sick amount of draft picks we used on these guys last year, and then possibly again this year.

That's too many in a short period. I would have actually preferred it if we had drafted just one every year. Instead of potentially using 5 picks in 2 years.

Edwards was drafted as a WR, the fact that he was a QB is moot because he will not being using a roster space as a QB.

So that comes down to three Qb's drafted in two years.Hardly a "sick amount" With one of them being a sixth round pick.

The only one that we used up a valuable pick so far is Clausen.

[PantherFanForLife]

'07, playcalling didn't help our issue at QB.. such was the case this year.. there are other factors, no doubt.. but when you aren't getting the results at QB and you have taken a huge hit on the OLine, you have to adapt and adjust and our history with FOx proves that is an uphill battle..

Well I pray that issue gets fixed. Honestly, I think Fox was a good coach. His biggest problems was his unwillingness/inability? to adapt and make changes when needed, and his conservative nature. That was the difference between him being a good coach and a great coach.

I've lost track of the amount of times I wanted to smash my TV every time we were up by 3 or more points and he started buckling down and protecting a small lead. It was always infuriating and nearly every time it bit us in the ass. Fox could never coach effectively with a lead. Period.

[bleys]

Well I pray that issue gets fixed. Honestly, I think Fox was a good coach. His biggest problems was his unwillingness/inability? to adapt and make changes when needed, and his conservative nature. That was the difference between him being a good coach and a great coach.

I've lost track of the amount of times I wanted to smash my TV every time we were up by 3 or more points and he started buckling down and protecting a small lead. It was always infuriating and nearly every time it bit us in the ass. Fox could never coach effectively with a lead. Period.

lol.. me too..

matter of fact, the only time we have had success has been the few times we've had a run game and our long ball was effective.. '03, '05, '08.. every other year the other teams watch tape and shut down some aspect that makes us adjust, and yet Fox keeps on being Fox...

'04 was a year where we can truly say Injuries killed us.. 17 starters injured and any team will take a hit.. Look at the Packers this year..

Teams blitzed us constantly because our QBs sucked, which worsened the protection of our oline. Smith had his worse season because he didn't get the ball, a result of our QB. Our run game suffered partly because teams didn't respect our pass game, due to our QB. So by solving number 8 you help solve 3, 4, and 5. You are ignoring the fact that a QB will solve more than one problem.

we had a rookie QB majority of the season behind center.. with all those things you pointed out, there are ways to promote success with a rookie QB.. none of which we attempted under this coaching staff..

I'm not sold Bradford would have been much more successful, but Clausen was pretty horrible.. Rams did help their rookie QB out though.. I think defenses blitzed the hell out of us because they knew Fox wouldn't adapt more so than it was a rookie QB..

but I'm merely speculating..

[bleys]

Teams blitzed us constantly because our QBs sucked, which worsened the protection of our oline. Smith had his worse season because he didn't get the ball, a result of our QB. Our run game suffered partly because teams didn't respect our pass game, due to our QB. So by solving number 8 you help solve 3, 4, and 5. You are ignoring the fact that a QB will solve more than one problem.

we had a rookie QB majority of the season behind center.. with all those things you pointed out, there are ways to promote success with a rookie QB.. none of which we attempted under this coaching staff..

I'm not sold Bradford would have been much more successful, but Clausen was pretty horrible.. Rams did help their rookie QB out though.. I think defenses blitzed the hell out of us because they knew Fox wouldn't adapt more so than it was a rookie QB..

but I'm merely speculating..

[PantherFanForLife]

Teams blitzed us constantly because our QBs sucked, which worsened the protection of our oline. Smith had his worse season because he didn't get the ball, a result of our QB. Our run game suffered partly because teams didn't respect our pass game, due to our QB. So by solving number 8 you help solve 3, 4, and 5. You are ignoring the fact that a QB will solve more than one problem.

See, now that argument is such a catch-22 because you can argue it the other way just as easily.

The fact is a great QB is NOT going to fix a broken O-line that simply got manhandled all year or had to deal with so many injuries, and a lack of receiver threats. It's also not going to immediately turn average receivers into super wideouts if they can't separate, and run smart routes and if he doesn't have the time to find them.

That all needs to be fixed simultaneously. The fact is we have had a decent QB, in Jake, with a great O line and 2 WR threats as well as a strong run game that got us winning seasons quite a few times.

How many teams with an excellent QB, without those other things in place have reached the playoffs?

[chef17]

See, now that argument is such a catch-22 because you can argue it the other way just as easily.

The fact is a great QB is NOT going to fix a broken O-line that simply got manhandled all year or had to deal with so many injuries, and a lack of receiver threats. It's also not going to immediately turn average receivers into super wideouts if they can't separate, and run smart routes and if he doesn't have the time to find them.

That all needs to be fixed simultaneously. The fact is we have had a decent QB, in Jake, with a great O line and 2 WR threats as well as a strong run game that got us winning seasons quite a few times.

How many teams with an excellent QB, without those other things in place have reached the playoffs?

You are ignoring what I said. A great QB would not fix those, I said it would help. If teams respected our QB, they wouldn't blitz as much for fear of giving up a big play. With less men coming, the oline wouldn't have as many men to block, resulting in them looking better. That cannot be argued. If the QB was able to get Smith the ball then he wouldn't have had his worse season. Again, cannot be argued. You can argue which problem is more important all day. But a great QB would help fix some of our problems plain and simple.

[MaineManPanther]

Our young WR's will have another offseason to progress and develop. They'll be better next year and Smith still has a pretty decen year left in him.

Our O-line will hopfully return healthy, and if so will be fine. With the exception of Schwartz (who shown promise as a guard) every player is there who assited us in our 2008 and 2009 line.

[bleys]

Our young WR's will have another offseason to progress and develop. They'll be better next year and Smith still has a pretty decen year left in him.

Our O-line will hopfully return healthy, and if so will be fine. With the exception of Schwartz (who shown promise as a guard) every player is there who assited us in our 2008 and 2009 line.

I agree with you... ESPN and others who think we are the worst place for a coach is smoking something.. and whatever it is they are smoking, I want some..