So in Episode III...

[Darth Biscuit]

When Windu and the three other masters confront Sidious, Sidious dispatches the other three masters quickly then duels with Windu for a bit and Windu bests him... is Sidious lettting him win there? Everything I've read about Windu says he was nearly as powerful as Yoda... but I've always wondered about that duel.

Obviously later Sidious is faking his "weakness" after the force lightning in an effort to sway Anakin... but was he faking in the duel or did Windu really beat him?

[The Saltman]

I think windu did best him but I think sidious had a vision or a hunch that anakin would come to save him in the end and catch windu off guard. Then again sidious and yoda ended in a stalemate so thats a hard one. Ill call Lucas later and ask him.

[GritsRgreat]

I think Sidious could have taken Windu. Sidious needed to prolong the fight to sway Anakin. Just another piece of the plan.

[Darth Biscuit]

Yeah do that Saltman I'd like to know... it's such a shame these three movies could have been so great if not for the horrible screen play/writing.

Lucas needs to make some more but let someone else write and direct them... too bad he won't.

[OneBadassCat]

I think he was actually bested in the duel. I don't think he would purposely ruin himself like that. But when Anakin finally entered I do believe he played it off to get his sympathy. I think Sidious was stronger in the force than Windu but not with the saber.

Now if we want to talk about letting someone win how about Darth Vader laying down to Luke in the ROTJ. That poo was so obvious.

[Darth Biscuit]

Vader laying down to Luke wasn't obvious to me... Lucas always intended for Luke to be very powerful anyway... and Vader was old and growing weak by that point.

[OneBadassCat]

They made Vader way too weak in the film. Maybe it was the technology but it looked to me like he let him win. Luke was supposed to have the same force potential as Anakin before he got barbecued. But there is no way Luke could have gotten that strong in that short amount of time.

[GritsRgreat]

They made Vader way too weak in the film. Maybe it was the technology but it looked to me like he let him win. Luke was supposed to have the same force potential as Anakin before he got barbecued. But there is no way Luke could have gotten that strong in that short amount of time.

Hmm, i think Vader was weak. Its the reason the emperor was looking to replace him with Luke.

The only Jedi who willingly laid down was Ole' Ben.

[OneBadassCat]

I don't know I saw something online where officially Vader(before getting f'ked up) was supposed to be at least 2 times stronger than the Emperor(potentially). But after the fight with Obi-Wan and he was put in the suit he was 8/10 the strength of the Emperor.

I always felt like the Emperor wanted to turn Luke for the evil of it and to eliminate the Jedi. Because personally if I was the emperor, given the history of the sith, why the fug would I want to make someone stronger than me my apprentice(if Luke was actually that strong at the time). But he couldn't have been that strong because the Emperor zapped his ass.

I think Sidious foresaw Vader's injuries on Mustafar.

all speculation of course

And i love star wars

[davos]

I don't think Lucas really thought about it. I try to forget the new 3 exist

[BBQ&Beer]

Vader slipped

[Seamonk]

I think it just shows Samuel L Jackson's heart and desire to win. I mean what?

[Darth Biscuit]

The movie would have been a LOT better had Lucas let SLJ be himself...

As he's fightng Sidious... "Oh no you don't you sith motherf*cker..."

In the novels Windu's dueling style flirted with the darkside... Lucas should have let that come thru...

[Darth Urious]

heloooooooo