My case for Newton.

[Fiz]

The NFL doesn't design plays that way too?

an NFL QB doesn't know what player is going to get open when before the play starts. They have to immediately (or pre snap) read the defense, know what they're going to do, adjust accordingly, and wait for his play to develop.

At Auburn, Malzahn's offense basically created a wide open option every single time much in the same way Tedford's offenses did.

It's a way to scheme that takes advantage of the talent/coaching gap that simply doesn't exist in the nfl.

[Verge]

-sigh-

[panthers55]

Mayock has said that Newton is ahead of The Golden Calf of Bristol and Young at this point. Both players went in the first round. Young was able to make the pro-bowl 2 times in four years and has won more games than lost in the NFL. He also went to the pro-bowl his rookie year.

His problems are emotional not physical or football knowledge related. If Newton is anywhere close to where Young is at this point he is surely worth drafting at this point. By all accounts Newton is a hard worker, picks things up fast, and has great intangibles- all areas that Young still has question marks.

The whole mechanics things is way overblown. In football the result of the pass is the point. If Newton can throw a 40 yard frozen rope with his upper body it ges there just the same. Guys like Brett Favre also were known to have poor mechanics but they did pretty well. It is common knowledge that passers can't always step up and use perfect form throwing a pass. You have to be able to throw off your back foot at times when being blitzed or sidearm it around defenders,etc. Does he need work? Absolutely. Can he actually be successful with a simplified game plan as he is? I think he can, although I hope it doesn't come to that. My belief is that he has the tools to be successful and will be a work in progress. Will he instantly star for us, not likely. But given the uncertainty of this year as a whole I think most intelligent people are looking down the road for the future. Frankly there is no guy who is instantly going to star for us as a rookie anyway. Even Peterson who is supposed to be most game ready has issues with playing a zone defense which we surely be playing 90% of the time. DTs for example rarely if ever have big years their rookie season (unless your name is Suh). So anyone we pick is for the future not the present.

[panthers55]

an NFL QB doesn't know what player is going to get open when before the play starts. They have to immediately (or pre snap) read the defense, know what they're going to do, adjust accordingly, and wait for his play to develop.

At Auburn, Malzahn's offense basically created a wide open option every single time much in the same way Tedford's offenses did.

It's a way to scheme that takes advantage of the talent/coaching gap that simply doesn't exist in the nfl.

Funny how I see the same thing in the NFL every time New England plays. There always seem to be a wide open guy on just about every play. Windows are clearly smaller in the NFL and the talent level of the defense makes it much harder to scheme the offense, but they for one clearly are able to outscheme most defenses. Conversely, our receivers never seemed to be open and everyone always seemed to know where the ball was going. Clearly there is disparity among schemes and offenses in the NFl in the present.

Will he have to learn to hit guys in stride, throw before the receiver even makes his break, and understand who is going to be open based on the coverages? Absolutely. But this is the same thing that Bradford had to do last year and guys like The Golden Calf of Bristol and McCoy are learning as well. With the proliferation of spread offenses this is going to be a constant growing issue for all teams as pro-style offenses will be exception not the rule in college in 5 or 10 years.

[Fiz]

Funny how I see the same thing in the NFL every time New England plays. There always seem to be a wide open guy on just about every play. Windows are clearly smaller in the NFL and the talent level of the defense makes it much harder to scheme the offense, but they for one clearly are able to outscheme most defenses. Conversely, our receivers never seemed to be open and everyone always seemed to know where the ball was going. Clearly there is disparity among schemes and offenses in the NFl in the present.

let's keep some perspective on that. the pats also have arguably the greatest coach and greatest quarterback of all time.

[CarolinaKat]

let's keep some perspective on that. the pats also have arguably the greatest coach and greatest quarterback of all time.

Same coaching staff that had been recording opposing teams play run throughs for years until they were caught? Cheating their way to greatness

[Fiz]

Same coaching staff that had been recording opposing teams play run throughs for years until they were caught? Cheating their way to greatness

This is a really terrible, irrelevant post and I don't have a very high opinion of you as a poster and really think you should just log out and never come back.

Instead of insulting you or asking why this matters I'll just point out you don't seem to recognize the irony of bringing up cheating in the context of a thread about a player from an SEC school.

[CarolinaKat]

This is a really terrible, irrelevant post and I don't have a very high opinion of you as a poster and really think you should just log out and never come back.

Instead of insulting you or asking why this matters I'll just point out you don't seem to recognize the irony of bringing up cheating in the context of a thread about a player from an SEC school.

You dont really believe anyone cares about what you think do you? I clearly understand the irony, but it goes to show that cheating on a college exam is no where near on the level of cheating in a professional football setting. Which New England has done longer than Cam Newton has played any type of college football. So giving praise to cheaters while condemning Newton makes any post you make on the subject irrelevant

[Fiz]

man i forgot how much new england struggled in 2007 after getting caught

clearly that was the reason for their success

[CarolinaKat]

man i forgot how much new england struggled in 2007 after getting caught

clearly that was the reason for their success

Speaking of irony again....You mean the same way Cam Newton struggled?

[C47]

Speaking of irony again....You mean the same way Cam Newton struggled?

Cam Newtons cheating wasn't to give him an unfair advantage on the field though, so it would be expected that he wouldn't struggle....

[CarolinaKat]

Cam Newtons cheating wasn't to give him an unfair advantage on the field though' date=' so it would be expected that he wouldn't struggle....[/quote']

True....But i was speaking more on the lines of getting caught and/or accused only to still not have any drop in production. As far as those devils in New England go, ever since that super bowl we lost i have no love for them

[Fiz]

Speaking of irony again....You mean the same way Cam Newton struggled?

i haven't said a thing about cam newton cheating. i don't give a poo if he did.

i'm simply responding to your assertion that the success of the patriots over the past decade has something to do with them getting caught doing something almost every single nfl team does but you are too fuging dense to get that and keep dragging this down into the dumb primordial soup where you sit, unevolved, barely congealed, wallowing in your own poo and pissing in your own mouth, and im not going to fuging do it anymore

[panthers55]

let's keep some perspective on that. the pats also have arguably the greatest coach and greatest quarterback of all time.

I would agree that the New England system appears to be one of the best in the NFL. I say that not only because what Brady has done but what Cassel did in it with virtually no experience. The question has always been whether Brady makes the Pats or the system makes Brady. I suspect it is a little of both. Still the point is that a great system makes any Qb look good. And guys like Newton in a great system would be a success and have more forgiveness to not have to put the ball perfectly on every throw as we seem to have to do.