Trindon Holliday Released

[carolina-chuck]

Yes, I remember him. I never thought that one could be a legit returner without speed but he was. It may be to early to write off Joe Adams, but I'd take Holliday over Adams.

Im not writing Adams off at all. Who would.

Without the turnovers, the kid is clearly our best returner.

Pilares and Capt sucks so bad returning kicks/punts. Only reason why they're giving a chance is bc they're not turning it over.

We have something special in Adams.

Dno how people can be all over Lafail and Pilares but are writing Adams off.

[KillerKat]

I have a hard time buying the idea that the Panthers gave him a serious offer or look.

Hurney basically low balled every free agent we "looked at" so that he can say we tried to get them in order to try to not look bad to the fans when really he gave a half assed effort as they went away to get paid elsewhere and we are a 3 win team. Hell yea for run on sentences!

[carolina-chuck]

Hurney basically low balled every free agent we "looked at" so that he can say we tried to get them in order to try to not look bad to the fans when really he gave a half assed effort as they went away to get paid elsewhere and we are a 3 win team. Hell yea for run on sentences!

I never care bout grammar in here. It's not English 101

[kman72]

i'm down to sign him, cheap and he can return punts and kickoffs

[Marguide]

Im not a physic but I can clearly tell you Lafail well be an average receiver throughout his career. His route running sucks and cannot create separation. Its funny how when I ask people what Lafail done in a game, and they go and talk about how well he blocks. Unless he can convert into a blocking TE or an OT, hes clearly "fine" or special.

Pilares will be done in the NFL in a year or two. Well thats if Hurney or whoever in this franchise has the nuts to let him go (i.e. AE). No one else would touch him.

You are not a physic, nor are you a psychic. You make up your mind about players, coaches, etc based on preconceived ideas, and you do not have the mental flexibility to change your mind if they are something other than what you expect.

Im not writing Adams off at all. Who would.

Without the turnovers, the kid is clearly our best returner.

Pilares and Capt sucks so bad returning kicks/punts. Only reason why they're giving a chance is bc they're not turning it over.

We have something special in Adams.

Dno how people can be all over Lafail and Pilares but are writing Adams off.

See, this is a case in point. Adams has not yet done anything at all in the league, yet your have anointed him as "something special". In the case of Pilares, discussed above, we have seen evidence on the field that he can be a contributor. All we have seen so far out of Adams is that he isn't yet ready for the big leagues. But none of that matters to you as you've already made up your mind.

I never care bout grammar in here. It's not English 101

That's very obvious. You are just as sloppy with English as you are in your player evaluations. That is one of the reasons people do not take your points seriously. If you want to convince others, put together a well thought out and well written argument. Or don't. Makes no difference to me.

[carolina-chuck]

You are not a physic, nor are you a psychic. You make up your mind about players, coaches, etc based on preconceived ideas, and you do not have the mental flexibility to change your mind if they are something other than what you expect.

See, this is a case in point. Adams has not yet done anything at all in the league, yet your have anointed him as "something special". In the case of Pilares, discussed above, we have seen evidence on the field that he can be a contributor. All we have seen so far out of Adams is that he isn't yet ready for the big leagues. But none of that matters to you as you've already made up your mind.

That's very obvious. You are just as sloppy with English as you are in your player evaluations. That is one of the reasons people do not take your points seriously. If you want to convince others, put together a well thought out and well written argument. Or don't. Makes no difference to me.

Everyone knows Adams has the playmaking abilities in returning kicks/punts. He has shown that in college. He shown that in the preseason also. What have Lafell and Pilares shown? Nothing but catching a ball here and there and running in a straight line. Some people just has that "it" and some dont. Just bc Lafell and Pilares are playing for my team, doesnt mean I'm going to lie to myself that theyre future stars in this league.

For example, Im not a Ravens' fan but I know that Torrey Smith is a star compare to Lafell. Im not going to keep lying to myself like a bunch of homers do. I dont know how a lot of the homers in this huddle can manage to keep telling themselves that Lafell is going to pop out the door one day and become a top 10 elite receiver. What kind of drugs are yall taking to help yall convince you guys that Lafell doesnt suck? Imagine if Lafell is on another team, lets say hes a Raiders. Would you have know who he was? Do you now still think that hes going to be a star? No, bc now you're not a homer of Lafell anymore bc hes a Raiders.

Wake up in the morning, look hard in the mirror and ask yourself if Lafell or Pilares are really stars in this league.You'll find out yourself that you're only rooting for them and are wishing that they one day become stars eventhough they dont have the talents, bc they're a Panthers and not a Raiders. You only have a max of 4 years to prove yourself. There are so many prospects with talents every year that come out of the draft. How many more year are Lafell and Pilares going to get? Once in a while a 89 comes out in the later rounds of the draft. That doesnt go to every Panthers.

I know that Frank Alexander can be something nice for the future, maybe not a pro bowler, but at least someone who can play. Why? bc he showed promise as a "rookie". Lafell has shown that he cannot be consistent and cannot create separation vs a no2/3 cb. And for Pilares, the kid is just not going to cut it. If you want Lafell and Pilares to be your two startin wr for the Panthers, then we're in big trouble for the future bc a young team like Cincy has receivers like Green and Sanu.

[Marguide]

Everyone knows Adams has the playmaking abilities in returning kicks/punts. He has shown that in college. He shown that in the preseason also. What have Lafell and Pilares shown? Nothing but catching a ball here and there and running in a straight line. Some people just has that "it" and some dont. Just bc Lafell and Pilares are playing for my team, doesnt mean I'm going to lie to myself that theyre future stars in this league.

For example, Im not a Ravens' fan but I know that Torrey Smith is a star compare to Lafell. Im not going to keep lying to myself like a bunch of homers do. I dont know how a lot of the homers in this huddle can manage to keep telling themselves that Lafell is going to pop out the door one day and become a top 10 elite receiver. What kind of drugs are yall taking to help yall convince you guys that Lafell doesnt suck? Imagine if Lafell is on another team, lets say hes a Raiders. Would you have know who he was? Do you now still think that hes going to be a star? No, bc now you're not a homer of Lafell anymore bc hes a Raiders.

Wake up in the morning, look hard in the mirror and ask yourself if Lafell or Pilares are really stars in this league.You'll find out yourself that you're only rooting for them and are wishing that they one day become stars eventhough they dont have the talents, bc they're a Panthers and not a Raiders. You only have a max of 4 years to prove yourself. There are so many prospects with talents every year that come out of the draft. How many more year are Lafell and Pilares going to get? Once in a while a 89 comes out in the later rounds of the draft. That doesnt go to every Panthers.

I know that Frank Alexander can be something nice for the future, maybe not a pro bowler, but at least someone who can play. Why? bc he showed promise as a "rookie". Lafell has shown that he cannot be consistent and cannot create separation vs a no2/3 cb. And for Pilares, the kid is just not going to cut it. If you want Lafell and Pilares to be your two startin wr for the Panthers, then we're in big trouble for the future bc a young team like Cincy has receivers like Green and Sanu.

I'll give you credit for putting a bit more effort into your writing, so kudos for that.

We were talking about Pilares and Adams. I didn't bring up LaFell, nor Torrey Smith, nor Sanu. No, everybody doesn't know that Adams can be an effective returner. I loved the pick and he would seem to have potential based on what he did in college, but that doesn't matter now. The only thing that matters is what you do in your opportunities. In Joe's case, he has not done well with his limited opportunities. He had a problem putting the ball on the ground in college, and he has shown the same problem so far this year. If it continues, he will have a short stay in the league.

As to Pilares, yeah, he seems pretty mediocre as a kick returner. However, every time he has touched the ball on offense this year, he has done something positive with it, usually generating a much needed first down in the process. No one is saying he is the next Smith, but there have been signs he could grow into a very effective 3rd or 4th WR. How many teams have stars 4 deep at WR? None. How many have solid role players in the 3-4 slot. Not all, but that's everyone's goal.

So getting back to Trindon Holliday, where is the data indicating he can be anything other than a successful preseason punt returner? And yet, you think it's a good idea to dump Pilares, (a guy who is contributing on offense) to pick up Holliday? At this point, it would be more justifiable to dump Adams and pick up Holliday, but that doesn't make sense either. Both are guys with potential, but both are guys that have yet to show anything when the bright lights come on. I'd rather stick with the guy we've got.

[PantherPhann89]

Im not writing Adams off at all. Who would.

Without the turnovers, the kid is clearly our best returner.

Pilares and Capt sucks so bad returning kicks/punts. Only reason why they're giving a chance is bc they're not turning it over.

We have something special in Adams.

Dno how people can be all over Lafail and Pilares but are writing Adams off.

Adams was a good returner in college, that has yet to be proven in the NFL. Pilares and Capt doesn't has his return skills but as you indicated, they can hold on to the ball which is the most important factor in any position, especially the return position. With that being said, he can't possibly be our best returner when he can't hold on to the ball. He may be able to evolve into being our best returner, but until he can hold on to the ball, he isn't close.

[carolina-chuck]

Adams was a good returner in college, that has yet to be proven in the NFL. Pilares and Capt doesn't has his return skills but as you indicated, they can hold on to the ball which is the most important factor in any position, especially the return position. With that being said, he can't possibly be our best returner when he can't hold on to the ball. He may be able to evolve into being our best returner, but until he can hold on to the ball, he isn't close.

Holding onto the football can be taught and learned. (i.e Tiki)

Trying to teach a player to return kicks/punts cant be teach.

[PantherPhann89]

Holding onto the football can be taught and learned. (i.e Tiki)

Trying to teach a player to return kicks/punts cant be teach.

Anything can be taught, except speed maybe, but having the natural instinct is a huge plus. But that's not the issue, you said that Adams was our best returner, he's not! and until he learns how to hold on to the ball, he won't be. I'm sure that he'll improve, we need some excitement in our return game, positive excitement. In addition, better blocking, which falls on the ST coache(s) is a must.