Parcells & Taylor have solution to read-options(play-action run).genius

[Guest BlueBoy]

The most effective way to defend the read option is by using the "scrape exchange" technique where the DE and LB entice the QB into keeping the ball. The DE crashes down on the HB but the LB scrapes behind the DE and gets the QB who decided to keep based on the actions of the DE.

There is no mystery to stopping the read option, it's just that NFL defenses have not fully adapted to it yet.

In our case, you have the added problem of your LB needing to take down our 6'5" 250 lb QB one-on-one. In most cases, where the read option is involved - your LB's are not giving away size to the opposing QB.

Also, you can't say you stop the read-option when the QB throws for over 300 and RB rush for 120 and win the game.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

How much wear and tear can a QB really have running it a few times a game? Rodgers was the most sacked QB in the league last year. Even RG3 barely gets hit when I watch him play. His injury was just a freak accident. Cam got hit more dropping back than on read options.

Griiffin got hit a ton, and the people that watched washington games constantly worried about him getting hurt. If you don't believe me, go listen to monday episodes of the tony kornheiser show following games. The offense shannahan ran in washington slowed, hobbled, and then broke one of the most promising young quarterbacks in the nfl.

The read option is a fine play to mix in, but the hits it adds as a base offensive play will eventually catch up to you. I like using it for Cam every now and then, but I don't think it's worth the extra hits to run it all the time (if cam gets hurt our seasons done).

[Davidson Deac II]

I don't think OCs will shy away from taking a 'risk' 6 times a game for big returns. Those QBs hit the iron same as every one. Like I say before, they don't get hit that much. Wilson didn't get hit once on an option play in an important playoff game.

Hits on qb's running a designed option tend to be harder than hits on a qb scramble. And since we are talking about Parcells theory on stopping it, did the falcons run the defense that Parcells is suggesting?

[Guest BlueBoy]

comparing the play action to read option isn't accurate. One is handing the ball off and the other is potentially running the ball.

what's to understand is really quite simple. A few things you said that aren't completely accurate..

1) the QB running play-action never implies or attempts to run the ball. You can still, however, hit the QB if you think he's going to turn around and throw the ball. There is time there where no penalty would occur.

With that said,

2) when a QB runs the read option, there is implication that the QB could run and assuming the QB doesn't hand the ball off and get hit 10 seconds later, he can get hit as often as a defender can get to him.. There would be no penalty, unless you want to pretend that Parcells is talking about wracking up roughing the passer penalties which is a whole other topic at hand..

How do those two plays start? Faking the ball to the RB. That's where they're similar, thus comparable. Where they're NOT similar is the second part, which is running vs passing. I didn't say they're the same, remember.

on your first point, the defense hasn't reach to that level yet to hit the QB.

on your second point. How does the defense know whether it's a play action or read option to decide whether to hit the QB late? You see what I'm saying.

[bleys]

How do those two plays start? Faking the ball to the RB. That's where they're similar, thus comparable. Where they're NOT similar is the second part, which is running vs passing. I didn't say they're the same, remember.

on your first point, the defense hasn't reach to that level yet to hit the QB.

on your second point. How does the defense know whether it's a play action or read option to decide whether to hit the QB late? You see what I'm saying.

it doesn't really matter if the QB is running play action or read option, as long as he's still involved with the play in either scenario, a defensive player can knock him out.. there's nothing late about any hits involved if they aren't 10 seconds after the ball is out of the QBs hand.

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[Rook35200]

But the QB pretend to have the ball for only a split second. The defense hasn't even break its stride yet. Even the most mediocre LT/RT can hold the DE/LB for that long. After the QB gives the ball to the RB and stand to the side you can't hit him. Just like you can't hit the QB on a play-action playe. What does Parcell know that 32 OCs don't? On a pitch play you can hit the QB because the LB is already on top of him.

As I mention, for you to have enough personnels for both the RB and QB you have to bring your corners and safeties up leaving the middle wide open for the TE. And we're not talking NCAA caliber QBs. Cam would make you pay in the middle.

Damn dude you are clueless. First off when you run the Read option play their is a designed pitchman (the pitchman is the defender that the QB reads to decide wether or not to pitch/hand off the ball). This is usually the Defensive end. Well coached defensive players know that when they are left unblocked at the line of scrimmage there is a called trap play(like Power) or an option play.

I don't know where you're getting that info about not hitting the QB on read option plays. The QB at that point is a runner and not a passer. In order to stop this play the defense has to be on the same page. Most teams designate 2 players to have option or pitch responsibilities. usually the SS or CB is responsible for the RB on pitch option plays. On dive option plays were the QB decides wether or not to hand the ball off the SS is responsible for the QB. If i'm coaching the defense I want my DE to collapse on the running back everytime. I'd then have my SS walk up to the line of scrimmage to play the QB. if you do this they'd be forced to throw the ball.

[Rook35200]

Actually, the DE is assigned to the LT/RT. So he'll be blocked. The OLB is the one that goes after either the RB or QB, whomever have the ball. He is sometimes left un-blocked on read option plays. That's why he normally looks like he is chasing a ghost on that play because he doesn't know who has the ball. On the game between the skins and cowboys the announcer was talking how the olb was chasing something that wasn't there. It was beautiful, i tell ya.

You have no clue how the read option works bruh.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Damn dude you are clueless. First off when you run the Read option play their is a designed pitchman (the pitchman is the defender that the QB reads to decide wether or not to pitch/hand off the ball). This is usually the Defensive end. Well coached defensive players know that when they are left unblocked at the line of scrimmage there is a called trap play(like Power) or an option play.

I don't know where you're getting that info about not hitting the QB on read option plays. The QB at that point is a runner and not a passer. In order to stop this play the defense has to be on the same page. Most teams designate 2 players to have option or pitch responsibilities. usually the SS or CB is responsible for the RB on pitch option plays. On dive option plays were the QB decides wether or not to hand the ball off the SS is responsible for the QB. If i'm coaching the defense I want my DE to collapse on the running back everytime. I'd then have my SS walk up to the line of scrimmage to play the QB. if you do this they'd be forced to throw the ball.

You make this sound like there are no OL blocking. We're talking about BEHIND the line of scrimmage. No one is saying you can't hit anybody down field. What Parcells supposedly was implying is that you hit the QB behind the line of scrimmage whether he keeps or give on EVERY play. That would be easy to do if there were no offensive line blocking.

On a lot of read option plays ONLY the LB is left unblocked. His assignment is to get to the BALL(not the player). He can't get to both the QB & RB at the same time.

watch this:

Now if the QB gives to the RB instead of keeping it then that LB will go after the RB(only makes sense, right?). In Parcell's scenario who would be assigned just to hit the QB on that every play?

Unless 2 players are left unblocked. And of course that would be stupid.

[Guest BlueBoy]

You have no clue how the read option works bruh.

This video describe exactly what I explain:

Now you can enlighten us with all your clues. lol

[Rook35200]

You make this sound like there are no OL blocking. We're talking about BEHIND the line of scrimmage. No one is saying you can't hit anybody down field. What Parcells supposedly was implying is that you hit the QB behind the line of scrimmage whether he keeps or give on EVERY play. That would be easy to do if there were no offensive line blocking.

On a lot of read option plays ONLY the LB is left unblocked. His assignment is to get to the BALL(not the player). He can't get to both the QB & RB at the same time.

watch this:

Now if the QB gives to the RB instead of keeping it then that LB will go after the RB(only makes sense, right?). In Parcell's scenario who would be assigned just to hit the QB on that every play?

Unless 2 players are left unblocked. And of course that would be stupid.

have you ever played in a college option offense? I have a strong inference that you haven't. It is perfectly legal to hit the QB on every play wether he hands the ball or not. As long as the QB is not in a defenseless position (having just thrown a pass) everything else is live game.

In this video that you provided:

Neither example shows the LB being the read. The first one uses the DE and the second one uses the DT.

As far as the LB being the read man it just depends on the blocking scheme, but I've never seen anyone run a dive/read option using the LB as the read. Like I said before USUALLY the DE is the read person because he is the easiest person to read. When you are running a play like this u want to make the QBs job as simple as possible.

[Rook35200]

This video describe exactly what I explain:

Now you can enlighten us with all your clues. lol

I don't need to do anything. you just did it for me. The commentator specifically says in the first play that the QB reads the DE (Defensive End) and in the second play the QB reads the DT (Defensive Tackle). There is no mention of reading the linebacker anywhere in this video troll

[Guest BlueBoy]

Ok, I meant the DE. But the topic was where does the defense find the extra man to hit both the QB and RB behind the line of scrimmage. Let me repeat, Parcells advocates hitting the QB on EVERY play behind the line of scrimmage. And I'm saying and the success of the read option proves you can't unless you have 2 free DE /DT roaming through the backfield untouched.

This is not about football knowledge. Just on a strict number perspective it just doesn't add up. That's why no DC is buying Parcells' patent. Lol