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Scouting Combine

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it is that time, this deserves a thread.lets discuss the combine here, and place news blurbs in here.

Alabama OG Chance Warmack performed 35 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press at the Combine.

He weighed in at 6-foot-2, 317 earlier in the week, and the impressiveness of Warmack's lofty bench-press total is enhanced by his vine-like, 34 3/4-inch arms. Warmack is attempting to stave off North Carolina's Jonathan Cooper as the 2013 draft's top-rated guard. Cooper did 35 reps, too, but has shorter arms.

Rice TE Vance McDonald performed 34 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press at the Scouting Combine.

McDonald was a beastly run blocker in the slot in Rice's spread offense, and his strength obviously translates to the weight room. He has long arms (34 3/8"), making the bench total even more impressive. At 6-foot-4 and 262 pounds, McDonald has an 84-inch wingspan and has drawn Jason Witten comparisons.

UNC G/C Jonathan Cooper hoisted 225 pounds 35 times on the Combine bench press.

Cooper has relatively short, 32-inch arms, although they aresuitable for an interior lineman. This is a very strong bench total for him. Work ethic is certainly not a concern, and Cooper is helping to dispel notions that strength might be after reporting to Indy at 312 pounds and showing well on the bench.

Kentucky OG Larry Warford performed 28 bench-press reps of 225 pounds at the Combine.

Warford, an old-school power blocker at 6-foot-3, 333, has short arms (31 7/8"). We expected slightly more reps, but 28 is by no means a poor number. Something in the teens or low twenties would have been concerning. Warford is a projected second-round pick. He's a mauling brawler in the running game.

Oklahoma LT Lane Johnson performed 28 bench reps of 225 pounds at the Combine.

It's a strong total for a guy with long 35-inch arms, and the 28 reps are one more than other top left tackle prospects Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher managed. Johnson is widely considered the No. 3 left tackle behind the aforementioned two. He's an athletic guy at 6-foot-6 and 303 pounds.

Tennessee Tech WR Da'Rick Rogers admitted at the Combine to three failed drug tests that got him kicked out of the University of Tennessee.

"I did it to myself," said a seemingly-truly contrite Rogers. "You have to accept responsibility for what you did and move forward. All I can do is come in, work hard and get my foot in the door." Rogers claims to have passed "10 drug tests" during his one season at Tennessee Tech. In terms of sheer on-field ability, he's arguably the most talented wideout in the 2013 NFL draft.

Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson measured in at 6'1 and 7/8 inches and 216 pounds at the NFL Combine.

Although shorter than his listed measurements, there is nothing wrong with these numbers. Patterson is expected to light up workouts, but he does need to show comfort hands catching passes through the gauntlet. We like him as a smaller, less physically imposing version of Julio Jones.

West Virginia WR Stedman Bailey measured in at 5'10 and 1/4 inches and 193 pounds at the NFL Combine.

Bailey isn't going to wow in testing, but he consistently served as Geno Smith's safety net and thrived when targeted in the red zone. He reminds us a lot of Greg Jennings with his technical skill and ability to create that sliver of separation at the catch point

Tennessee WR Justin Hunter measured in at 6'4" and 196 pounds at the NFL Combine.

He also checked in with 9 3/8 inch hands and 33 2/8 inch arms. Hunter's medical checks will be important, but he showed more mental than physical limitations last season with a large number of drops

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You forgot the best one.

West Virginia WR Tavon Austin measured 5-foot-8 1/2 and 174 pounds at Friday's Scouting Combine weigh-in.

Austin's weigh-in is similar to Dexter McCluster's in 2010, when the Chiefs' second-rounder measured 5-foot-8 3/4, 172. Austin is more elusive and explosive in a short area than McCluster, and we're confident will be more successful in the pros. A blazing fast forty could solidify Austin as a first-round pick.

Also said he is the best draft pick in this years draft. Swag!

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USC WR Robert Woods measured 6-foot-0 3/8 and 201 pounds at Friday's NFL Combine weigh-in.

Woods was listed at 6-foot-1, 190 on USC's website. Although Woods has a pretty big name nationally, league evaluators view him as more of a slot receiver type with a Steve Smith (Giants) ceiling. He's a second- or third-round guy.

Baylor WR Terrance Williams measured 6-foot-2 and 208 pounds at Friday's NFL Combine weigh-in.

Williams is up seven pounds since the Senior Bowl, likely in an effort to show improved strength. He's being billed as a vertical threat only, lacking physicality and versatility to his game. Williams is a projected day-two pick.

Clemson WR DeAndre Hopkins measured 6-foot-1 and 214 pounds at the NFL Scouting Combine weigh-in.

He's actually nine pounds heavier than his college listing, which is a bit surprising for a wide receiver. Hopkins is not expected to run particularly fast regardless; his bread and butter is winning contested catches in traffic and running sharp, separation-creating routes. He's a top-50 prospect.

Cal WR Keenan Allen checked in 6-foot-2 and 206 pounds at Friday's NFL Scouting Combine weigh-in.

He's an inch shorter and ten pounds lighter than his college listing. Allen will not work out in Indianapolis because he's rehabbing a PCL tear in his left knee. More of a possession/run-after-catch receiver than vertical threat, Allen is hopeful of running a forty-yard dash sometime in earlyApril.

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Utah DT Star Lotulelei measured 6-foot-2 1/2 and 311 pounds at Saturday's NFL Combine weigh-in.

His college listing was 6-foot-4, 320. Lotulelei is billed in some circles as a nose tackle prospect, but his better position is three-technique defensive tackle in a 4-3 and the weigh-in supports that. He's a projected top-ten pick

Georgia NT John Jenkins measured 6-foot-3 5/8 and 346 pounds at Saturday's NFL Combine weigh-in.

He's shed 13 pounds since the Senior Bowl after weighing 359 in Mobile. An obviously massive figure, Jenkins has drawn criticism from evaluators for taking plays off and being a "teddy bear." He's an early- to mid-round prospect.

Oregon DE/LB Dion Jordan measured 6-foot-6 1/4 and 248 pounds at Saturday's NFL Combine weigh-in.

He's put on roughly 20 pounds since the college season; Jordan admitted he got as light as 226 in 2012. We suspect Jordan has been putting on weight in an effort to show he's more of an at-the-line player as opposed to a 4-3 type linebacker who drifts back into space. As a fifth-year senior this past season, Jordan tallied 10.5 tackles for loss, 5.0 sacks, and three forced fumbles.

Ohio State DT Johnathan Hankins measured 6-foot-2 7/8 and 320 pounds at Saturday's NFL Combine weigh-in.

It's just a shade shy of Hankins' 6-foot-3, 322-pound listing by Ohio State. After totaling 14 tackles for loss and three sacks as a sophomore in 2011, Hankins' production plummeted to 5.0 TFLs and 1.0 sacks as a junior. He offers the talent of a first-round pick, but obviously has some questions to answer.

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