Jordan Gross vs Jake Long

[TylerDurden]

Yet another example of how screwed up our cap situation is. Another "big" FA signs for less, some would say significantly so, than what was anticipated and we have have more subtractions than additions because we have no money to spend.

Gross has been an issue of contention here recently because it's been reported that he was asked to restructure and has not as of yet - leaving us strapped for cash in regards to adding FAs. Some Huddlers say he has the right to hold onto as much money as possible nearing the end of his career, while others argue that he should be the "team guy" he claims to be and reduce his salary to help us build with key free agent signings.

So, how do you feel now knowing that Jake Long, the premiere name in UFA offensive tackles, at 27-years old, just signed for 4 years and $36-million dollars (max), while Gross whose production has declined over recent years is making $11.7 mil this year? Reports say Long's contract "can be worth up to" $36 million, so it can be inferred his per year base is less than $9 mil.

I know even if Gross was cut that he wouldn't have cleared enough space alone to sign Long, but those numbers are certainly worth a look.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Meh, Long was pretty bad last year and a Dolphins team flush with cap space and starting a young quarterback was content to let him walk. Those injury concerns must be pretty severe, so I'm fine sticking with Gross.

[SmashNDash]

Could have had a much younger, and similar tackle + someone like Sean Smith for what we got Gross for, who may only have 1-2 years left. Pretty depressing.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Pro Football Focus had Long as the most overpaid tackle in the league last year. Gross was only 3rd. . . so hooray?

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/03/10/performance-based-value-offensive-tackles/

[TylerDurden]

In spite of his injuries, Long is still viewed as a solid prospect. He only missed 2 games in his career prior to last year's triceps injury. To my knowledge, he was solid before last year, and again, he still has some room for growth at 27.

It's just disappointing knowing that Gross is hardlining about his current salary (otherwise it would already be done and we would've had a chance at the first tier of FAs) considering his production doesn't justify it. AT ALL. Long was expected to sign for more than what he did, and he's STILL making less than Gross. We could've done a lot with that money and fixed the holes we currently have.

[carolina-chuck]

This is disturbing to hear. I'm gonna act like that never happened.

Haha the Rams overpaid for Long. Keep living in mediocrity. ;)

(I do feel a lot better now)

[Stroupe-a-loop]

In spite of his injuries, Long is still viewed as a solid prospect. He only missed 2 games in his career prior to last year's triceps injury. To my knowledge, he was solid before last year, and again, he still has some room for growth at 27.

It's just disappointing knowing that Gross is hardlining about his current salary (otherwise it would already be done and we've already been passed over by the first tier of FAs) considering his production doesn't justify it. AT ALL. Long was expected to sign for more than what he did, and he's STILL making less than Gross. We could've done a lot with that money and fixed the holes we currently have.

True, but maybe they just like the tackles in the draft more than Jake Long coming off a down year. Ovepaying a good, but not transcendent tackle is how we ended up sitting here bitching about Gross' cap figure. Maybe they don't want to go through that again.

[carolina-chuck]

True, but maybe they just like the tackles in the draft more than Jake Long coming off a down year. Ovepaying a good, but not transcendent tackle is how we ended up sitting here bitching about Gross' cap figure. Maybe they don't want to go through that again.

So, we're taking a Tackle in the Draft?

Why not cut Gross now anyway if you know we're aiming at a Tackle in the Draft?

[Stroupe-a-loop]

So, we're taking a Tackle in the Draft?

Why not cut Gross now anyway if you know we're aiming at a Tackle in the Draft?

It's not certain, but I think it's a possibility. It's a great draft for O-line (and DT, so it's all coming up us). And you need two tackles so I would like to keep Gross and get another one as no one else on our roster has done a great job filling the RT spot.

[carolina-chuck]

It's not certain, but I think it's a possibility. It's a great draft for O-line (and DT, so it's all coming up us). And you need two tackles so I would like to keep Gross and get another one as no one else on our roster has done a great job filling the RT spot.

If Bell doesn't go out and tear an ACL, MCL, or any ligament in his body, he'll still be the starting RT for thethe next two years.

I just don't see an OT in the first two rounds. It's a possibility but it probably won't happen. We have two gaping holes at DT, FS, CB, WR, and RG. We haven't address anything in FA. I just don't see Gettleman addressing an OT in the 1st or 2nd.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

If Bell doesn't tear an ACL, MCL, any ligament in his body, he'll still be the RT the next two years.

I just don't see an OT in the first two rounds. It's a possibility but it probably won't happen. We have two gaping holes at DT, FS, CB, WR, and RG. We haven't address anything in FA. I just don't see Gettleman addressing an OT in the 1st or 2nd.

Eh, I haven't been crazy about Bell's play the last 2 seasons, though admittedly he could improve, but I would like us to bring in another great talent to solidify the right side of the line for now, and then he can step in for Gross in a season or two. I don't really see WR as much as a need, maybe just a nice addition if a good player is there. I agree that DT, FS, CB, and RG are all up there with tackle as our biggest needs, so I think it just depends on who they have rated highest on the board when we pick.

I would personally like Chance Warmack to fall to us, but we'll see what happens. But I think OT makes a lot of sense if the right player is there when we pick.

[carolina-chuck]

Eh, I haven't been crazy about Bell's play the last 2 seasons, though admittedly he could improve, but I would like us to bring in another great talent to solidify the right side of the line for now, and then he can step in for Gross in a season or two. I don't really see WR as much as a need, maybe just a nice addition if a good player is there. I agree that DT, FS, CB, and RG are all up there with tackle as our biggest needs, so I think it just depends on who they have rated highest on the board when we pick.

I would personally like Chance Warmack to fall to us, but we'll see what happens. But I think OT makes a lot of sense if the right player is there when we pick.

I think as long a drought we've been in FA, we could probably cross both OT and OG off our needed list. Gettleman will bring in at least two OL through FA before the season begins. Even if Warmack is there, I wouldn't know if he would take him at 14.

I see DT/WR going 1 and 2, and a FS in the 4th.

[Thorrez]

Yet another example of how screwed up our cap situation is. Another "big" FA signs for less, some would say significantly so, than what was anticipated and we have have more subtractions than additions because we have no money to spend.

Gross has been an issue of contention here recently because it's been reported that he was asked to restructure and has not as of yet - leaving us strapped for cash in regards to adding FAs. Some Huddlers say he has the right to hold onto as much money as possible nearing the end of his career, while others argue that he should be the "team guy" he claims to be and reduce his salary to help us build with key free agent signings.

So, how do you feel now knowing that Jake Long, the premiere name in UFA offensive tackles, at 27-years old, just signed for 4 years and $36-million dollars (max), while Gross whose production has declined over recent years is making $11.7 mil this year? Reports say Long's contract "can be worth up to" $36 million, so it can be inferred his per year base is less than $9 mil.

I know even if Gross was cut that he wouldn't have cleared enough space alone to sign Long, but those numbers are certainly worth a look.

At least get the same figures. Gross deal is 6 years and $60M, so if you are going to compare with Longs $9M, Gross figure is $10m a year.

Long is on a decline and hurt. So I would say he is more over payed at $9M than Gross is at $10M.

We are paying a very solid LT $10M instead of the $6M pff had him graded at. But it is not like we could cut Gross and just pick any $6M guy and get the same performance. LT is a position you have to live with what is available as the next man up might very well get your QB killed.

Our main problem is that Hurney thought that applied to any position includung the one in which you can find a decent replacment in the local mall...twice....