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josh Freeman released..Bucs free fall continues...

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I keep hearing "franchise QB" in regards to Josh Freeman. Boy, it doesn't take much to earn that label these days...

Freeman obviously has physical gifts, but take a closer look at his actual numbers:

 

2009: 30th in NFL passing

2010:   6th in NFL passing

2011: 26th in NFL passing

2012: 19th in NFL passing

2012: 33rd in NFL passing

 

Look even more closely at his "breakout" season of 2010:  He threw for a paltry 216 ypg on a team that finished 31st in the NFL in total offense. That Tampa team was pure run first, in fact they rushed for over 2000 yards and had a darn good defense. He can be credited with not throwing many interceptions and the team was good in the red zone, but it was definitely a "game manager" type season...not the season of an elite passer.

 

Now throw in this year...you can say what you want about Schiano, but Josh Freeman completely quit on his teammates...missing multiple team meetings and sleeping through through team photos...probably all calculated. Josh Freeman is a spoiled Prima Donna and a cancer in the locker room. If Joshy doesn't get his way...look out...His actual passing numbers are poor to mediocre and he is a head case. This is not a player any GM in his right mind wants to build a team around.

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He also had a hand in making The Golden Calf of Bristol appear like a normal QB. Why wasn't he able to do the same with Clausen and this team? Just curious to know.

I'd contend that one of the most ridiculous streaks of favorable breaks and opponent miscues that i've ever seen had an even bigger hand. Seriously, the crap that took place week after week to keep Denver in those games was jaw-dropping.

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I keep hearing "franchise QB" in regards to Josh Freeman. Boy, it doesn't take much to earn that label these days...

Freeman obviously has physical gifts, but take a closer look at his actual numbers:

2009: 30th in NFL passing

2010: 6th in NFL passing

2011: 26th in NFL passing

2012: 19th in NFL passing

2012: 33rd in NFL passing

Look even more closely at his "breakout" season of 2010: He threw for a paltry 216 ypg on a team that finished 31st in the NFL in total offense. That Tampa team was pure run first, in fact they rushed for over 2000 yards and had a darn good defense. He can be credited with not throwing many interceptions and the team was good in the red zone, but it was definitely a "game manager" type season...not the season of an elite passer.

Now throw in this year...you can say what you want about Schiano, but Josh Freeman completely quit on his teammates...missing multiple team meetings and sleeping through through team photos...probably all calculated. Josh Freeman is a spoiled Prima Donna and a cancer in the locker room. If Joshy doesn't get his way...look out...His actual passing numbers are poor to mediocre and he is a head case. This is not a player any GM in his right mind wants to build a team around.

Stop it with the facts! We needs him in Carolina!!!

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Stop it with the facts! We needs him in Carolina!!!

Some very good points, but we have a chance to buy low on a talented player who possesses serious talent and also fits into Carolina's system better than nearly any other quarterback in the league. He'd get a chance on a team with a coach that the players love, and he'd have no pressure. If he can rehabilitate his confidence as Cam's backup, he can be a great asset. I think it's pretty clear that we won't be signing him, but the idea isn't without merit.

 

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He's not exactly hurting for money in his current job.

Peter King asked him about it. You can see his answer here.

Shaw has said elsewhere that he plans to stay at Stanford until his kids graduate, and pointed out that he has a two year old.

He's not coming here, or anywhere else in the NFL, anytime soon (if ever).

 

A Coach thinking he's going to be in his current job 20 plus years, probably fugging with whoever asked the question. (Some questions deserve ridicule. I mean it is Peter King.) Doesn't matter though, the BofA Miser wouldn't pay him anyway.

So if the path for College Coaches is spoiled and you don't like "Retreads" guess the only path is an NFL Coordinator job to NFL Head Coach.

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A Coach thinking he's going to be in his current job 20 plus years, probably fugging with whoever asked the question. (Some questions deserve ridicule. I mean it is Peter King.) Doesn't matter though, the BofA Miser wouldn't pay him anyway.

So if the path for College Coaches is spoiled and you don't like "Retreads" guess the only path is an NFL Coordinator job to NFL Head Coach.

 

It's definitely the path that's gotten the most jobs,

 

Eighteen of the league's current head coaches list their last job as NFL coordinators (10 defensive, 7 offensive, and 1 special teams).  Two others were NFL position coaches, and you've got Trestman, whose last job was as a CFL coach but who has extensive experience as a pro offensive coordinator.

 

Of the seven retread coaches currently employed, four of them were coordinators before they got their first head coaching gig (3 defense, 1 offense) and two were position coaches.  Coughlin was a college coach, but had coached at the pro level previously.

 

As of right now, five coaches were promoted from college jobs, but Carroll is an NFL retread and all but one (Chip Kelly) have previously coached in the NFL.

 

So yeah: This is where the majority of owners and GMs look for head coaches.  It's not just the Panthers.

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Of course if you want to win, you want a Retread.

 

 

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As long as it's someone who's never won a Super Bowl before seeing as none of them who win with one team ever win with a new one.

 

Over the past ten years, it's been half and half.  Five of ten have been won by coordinators / position coaches.  The other five have been won primarily by two guys, Belichick and Coughlin (one appearance by Dungy).

 

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Over the past ten years, it's been half and half.  Five of ten have been won by coordinators / position coaches.  The other five have been won primarily by two guys, Belichick and Coughlin (one appearance by Dungy).

 

 

I think it's like 10 of the last 16 have been retreads. Pretty good track record in the real NFL Post Salary Cap when Debartelo couldn't buy Championships in Frisco.

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I think it's like 10 of the last 16 have been retreads. Pretty good track record in the real NFL Post Salary Cap when Debartelo couldn't buy Championships in Frisco.

 

Salary cap started in 1994.  Tracking from 1994 to 2013, it's been ten wins by retreads, with half of these being Coughlin and Belichick.  Of the others, only Mike Shanahan won more than once (and he's not doing  that great in DC right now).

 

In the other ten games, you have two won by college coaches (Johnson and Switzer) in the early days before the cap really started to bite.  The remaining eight, all coordinators, who've had better luck more recently, winning four of the last five (Coughlin had one in there).

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Salary cap started in 1994.  Tracking from 1994 to 2013, it's been ten wins by retreads, with half of these being Coughlin and Belichick.  Of the others, only Mike Shanahan won more than once (and he's not doing  that great in DC right now).

 

In the other ten games, you have two won by college coaches (Johnson and Switzer) in the early days before the cap really started to bite.  The remaining eight, all coordinators, who've had better luck more recently, winning four of the last five (Coughlin had one in there).

 

Yes it took a couple years for the Dallas and Frisco loaded rosters to water down post Salary Cap.

But neither organization has on a Lombardi since the 95 season.

Again, 10 of the last 16 years on a true level playing field: Retreads.

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Yes it took a couple years for the Dallas and Frisco loaded rosters to water down post Salary Cap.

But neither organization has on a Lombardi since the 95 season.

Again, 10 of the last 16 years on a true level playing field: Retreads.

 

With seven of those ten being three guys: Belichick, Coughlin and Shanahan.

 

The early 2000s were all Belichick. Since then, five of the last eight were won by coordinators, two by Coughlin and one by Dungy.

 

Included in that recent list is a former defensive coordinator named Bill Cowher, a coach hired by an organization that doesn't look at retreads when they do coaching searches.

 

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