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Shula's play calling was not HORRIBLE, just okay

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Fox007 Grand Master

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Not sure why you are here then. Nobody is asking you to read it, or follow me around like a lost puppy.

 

You say bye bye then come back and say I'm following YOU?

 

Don't flatter yourself, you are the one doing the following around here.

 

I post in all kinds of threads not just ones that pop up about or mention Cam.

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My complaint about the playcalling is I don't think we were throwing the ball enough. Shula stuck with the run even when the game was close and the Jets were gaining momentum. We had been successful with the pass all day and I think we could have blown out the Jets much earlier had we aired it out a bit more.

 

While Shula's plan worked, I worry about him being too conservative going forward. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

 

Draw on 2nd an 30, lol.

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The issue at hand is that some people can look at a play like 4th and 2 and say we should run the ball and others would say pass.  Lets say we had ran the ball (there are so many different run plays/formations you could do here) and if we make it, everyone is happy.  If we don't, half the people are pissed and the other half are ok with the results (or at least arent furious at the coaching staff).  Lets say we pass and we make the first down, everyone is happy (except some people would see things like Newton taking unnecessary hits or potential for pick-6).  But if we don't make it, everyone is pissed.

 

You'll never please everyone.  The coaching staff does a good job at mixing it up, but not opening the playbook up to do it.  We ran that screen play fake almost twice in a row, because it worked.  That play might not work against other defenses, but some of our other play calling does.  We didn't get to 10-4 off of luck or trick plays.  We've kept it simple enough to play to our strengths but not be too predictable.  When the playoffs come around, you'll still see more of the same, with some ripples thrown in that will remind you of 2011.

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You do realize exactly why he is running less right? Do you want the guy to have a lengthy career here?

 

He sure looked damn good throwing those lasers to Greg Olsen to the tune of 88 yards, also on that huge gain to Lafell. This idea that every other quarterback but Cam Newton hits an open man every single time, and never overthrows, or has an incompletion is hilarious.

 

I hope you did not mean to imply that those were my words or opinions. 

 

And by the way...do you think Cam could improve on anything?

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It's nearly impossible to tell these things on television, but I recall the announcers specifically mention more than once during the game yesterday that no one was getting open.

 

That certainly was true some of the time (not all the time...sometimes he waited too long and then they were covered). In those cases Cam should have tried to run sooner...if he had there was more of an opening and likely would have avoided a loss and/or had a bigger gain. He needs to be a bit more decisive.  He may be over thinking.

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I hope you did not mean to imply that those were my words or opinions.

And by the way...do you think Cam could improve on anything?

Based on what I'm getting from you, and raleigh-panther, It sounds like you think Cam had a bad game. This is a thread about the play calling, yet it seems some people just want to talk about what Cam apparently did wrong. We won the game, what is the problem?

I've been critical of Cam, I've said all along he needs to become more consistent, and he is doing just that gradually. Like I said to rp, one thing I can fault Cam for is that screen overthrow. Other than that, the dude played a pretty good game. Certainly enough to win.

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Based on what I'm getting from you, and raleigh-panther, It sounds like you think Cam had a bad game. This is a thread about the play calling, yet it seems some people just want to talk about what Cam apparently did wrong. We won the game, what is the problem?

I've been critical of Cam, I've said all along he needs to become more consistent, and he is doing just that gradually. Like I said to rp, one thing I can fault Cam for is that screen overthrow. Other than that, the dude played a pretty good game. Certainly enough to win.

 

Enough to win...done. He will need to sharpen his game for a win next week and certainly in the playoffs.  I never said he had a bad game. But he certainly as the skills to be better.  Being more decisive, IMO will take him to the next level. (Adding a true 1 receiver will help out too of course).  Cam looks like he is over thinking.  Because he is waiting too long to pull the trigger the other team gets a good shot at him or his receivers.

 

(You mentioned him not running as a safety consideration...he has said in the past he is safer running than getting sacked.  He has too many sacks this year for a QB with his skills, IMO.)

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Enough to win...done. He will need to sharpen his game for a win next week and certainly in the playoffs. I never said he had a bad game. But he certainly as the skills to be better. Being more decisive, IMO will take him to the next level. (Adding a true 1 receiver will help out too of course). Cam looks like he is over thinking. Because he is waiting too long to pull the trigger the other team gets a good shot at him or his receivers.

(You mentioned him not running as a safety consideration...he has said in the past he is safer running than getting sacked. He has too many sacks this year for a QB with his skills, IMO.)

It's hard to say if he is overthinking without seeing the entire field of play, is he being indecisive, or are the receivers not open? As for his running, I was speaking more in regards to him taking too many hits in one game. Yeah he's young, and a big dude, but it still takes a toll.

Some sacks are his fault, some aren't, it happens. We're only going to go as far as our OL takes us, they've got to improve just like Cam.

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Enough to win...done. He will need to sharpen his game for a win next week and certainly in the playoffs.  I never said he had a bad game. But he certainly as the skills to be better.  Being more decisive, IMO will take him to the next level. (Adding a true 1 receiver will help out too of course).  Cam looks like he is over thinking.  Because he is waiting too long to pull the trigger the other team gets a good shot at him or his receivers.

 

(You mentioned him not running as a safety consideration...he has said in the past he is safer running than getting sacked.  He has too many sacks this year for a QB with his skills, IMO.)

 

 

When I attended games more regularly I sat about 10 rows behind LP. I'll take her word on seeing the field.

 

Those were great seats.

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Shula has schemed well enough to get us 10 wins.

Cam has played well enough to get us 10 wins.

Can they improve? Of course!

Can every single player in the NFL improve? Of course!

Can we complain about our team's play in a game that we never trailed? Sure...but why?

I'm happy with the coaching, play calling, and with our team.

Winning is the ultimate statistic. That stat proves many of you wrong.

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