Mindfug (physics questions)

[KillerKat]

Ok just watched the Wonders of the Universe. In physics, nothing lasts forever. However in the laws of physics, it is written that eventually the universe will come to an end. So when the end comes, then wouldn't that mean that literally nothing will last forever? So there is a contradiction.

Also, if physics can explain that an atom can pop out of nowhere and eventually create the big bang that births the creation of the universe, then why can't physics explain that the same thing will happen again at the end of the universe's life?

Why is it that this atom can only pop up in the beginning when the composition of the universe before that atom and the composition of the universe after it's "dead" is the same? Which is nothing.

Also in physics it states life is only temporary. However, if this atom can continue popping up out of nothing and sparking a big bang, isn't life eternal? Another contradiction.

I just blew my own mind just typing this out and now I don't know what the fug.

[shreddingdefense]

All my science teachers, books, and plus other shows that ive watched have always made it seem that when the universe reaches a point where it not longer grows (what it is doing now), that in theory that the universe will start to shrink (taking billions upon billions of years to do so just like its growing now). It will shrink to the point that our galaxy and others will die (after all how can they be here if our space we occupy now is gone? right?).

 

anyway it will shrink to the point where its as small as a atom, and the energy cant be compressed that tiny without a explosion; thus another big bang and the process starts anew. Universe expands again, plantes, suns, stars, moons form again, etc..then universe shrinks after alot of time to another big bang, so on and so forth. If you believe in this theory and that somehow an "Earth" is created after every big bang, with life on it like our own (plus many other planets that may support life), then yes nothing will last forever, life will find a way.

[KillerKat]

All my science teachers, books, and plus other shows that ive watched have always made it seem that when the universe reaches a point where it not longer grows (what it is doing now), that in theory that the universe will start to shrink (taking billions upon billions of years to do so just like its growing now). It will shrink to the point that our galaxy and others will die (after all how can they be here if our space we occupy now is gone? right?).

 

anyway it will shrink to the point where its as small as a atom, and the energy cant be compressed that tiny without a explosion; thus another big bang and the process starts anew. Universe expands again, plantes, suns, stars, moons form again, etc..then universe shrinks after alot of time to another big bang, so on and so forth. If you believe in this theroy and that somehow an "Earth" is created after every big bang, with life on it like our own (plus many other planets that may support life), then yes nothing will last forever, life will find a way.

That's how I thought it would be. But after this show its like saying the end is the end. Which doesn't make sense. Because physic's explanation of the beginning of the universe should also apply when the universe "ends". If they are saying there is a definite end then their whole explanation of the beginning is a big ass contradiction...

Btw I just re-read my first paragraph. Ignore that. That's just overthinking. I think I was thinking about the pure essence of nothing.

[KillerKat]

Also even if you believe in the theory that it expands to an extreme point that it collapses and then explodes again in a never ending cycle...there still had to be something to start that cycle. Even if you say a atom popped out of nowhere, what made it pop out of nowhere? What was there before that atom? Just nothing for a countless number of time? Maybe I shouldn't think about that too much before I drive myself mad.

[Inimicus]

The whole premise of a singularity (the big bang) is that all of the physical laws that we currently accept cease to exist.  All of the things we think we know break down and our current physics can't explain what happens in that indescribably small and infinitely dense point in space and time.

 

 

We get to explain everything in between to two singularities.

[KillerKat]

The whole premise of a singularity (the big bang) is that all of the physical laws that we currently accept cease to exist.  All of the things we think we know break down and our current physics can't explain what happens in that indescribably small and infinitely dense point in space and time.

 

 

We get to explain everything in between to two singularities.

We aren't made out of nothing so we can't explain what happens when there is nothing? Just the whole concept of nothing and then suddenly bam! and then there being nothing again blows my mind.

[KillerKat]

We can't explain "nothing" because there is nothing to explain yet I can't just settle for that. I want an explanation for nothing.

[shreddingdefense]

Also even if you believe in the theory that it expands to an extreme point that it collapses and then explodes again in a never ending cycle...there still had to be something to start that cycle. Even if you say a atom popped out of nowhere, what made it pop out of nowhere? What was there before that atom? Just nothing for a countless number of time? Maybe I shouldn't think about that too much before I drive myself mad.

 

True a atom or a big mass of energy just didnt pop up of no where. It had to be made somehow. There is always a hole in science when it comes to theorys like the big bang or how did life start. The only thing thats logical is to say well, there had to be the work of a "god" (dont worry i'm not talking about a exact one, so no religious debate here).  They set up the energy and from there the chain took off. but then you start asking yourself who created god? then who created that one? so on and so forth. Its never ended, and sadly we probobly will never know until we died and can

find out.

[KillerKat]

True a atom or a big mass of energy just didnt pop up of no where. It had to be made somehow. There is always a hole in science when it comes to theorys like the big bang or how did life start. The only thing thats logical is to say well, there had to be the work of a "god" (dont worry i'm not talking about a exact one, so no religious debate here).  They set up the energy and from there the chain took off. but then you start asking yourself who created god? then who created that one? so on and so forth. Its never ended, and sadly we probobly will never know until we died and cant find out.

Exactly. I asked my parents when I was little who created God. I just accepted it was a bigger concept than I can understand. I guess I should go back to that acceptance when it comes to this stuff lol.

[shreddingdefense]

We can't explain "nothing" because there is nothing to explain yet I can't just settle for that. I want an explanation for nothing.

 

As do i. Technically "nothing" is something lol.

[KillerKat]

As do i. Technically "nothing" is something lol.

yes!

[KillerKat]

As a side note, this is why I don't understand why there has to be a debate over science and God. I don't understand why one has to choose. Why can't one believe both? I do. This is why I accept both athiests and religious people. I hate the nastiness between the two.

[shreddingdefense]

As a side note, this is why I don't understand why there has to be a debate over science and God. I don't understand why one has to choose. Why can't one believe both? I do. This is why I accept both athiests and religious people. I hate the nastiness between the twp.

 

I also am in the camp of why can't the idea of science and god coexist.  I hate arguing, all you do is waist your breath. I never truely believed that 7 days to god is the same time frame that us as humans experience. To him/her/it lol 1 billion years could feel like a split sec to how we perceive time.  I don't think life was made through the snap of the fingers, like a genie. But i do believe in both evolution and creationism. I think both go hand in hand. Isnt a creature evolving by its habitat or a mutant gene, just another way of saying a new creature was "created"? Could in theory god look at a creature and say. You know what, it be nice if that fish could breath, maybe grow legs to walk? *points at creature* and gives it some type of dna change.

 

No it wouldnt have a effect immediately. heck maybe the animal would have to have generations of offspring for that gene to finally kick in, thus walking breathing fish. lol

[KillerKat]

Just now Morgan Freeman on Beyond the Wormhole said that "darkness can take a hold of the universe forever"..something like that. Anyway if there is just a continuous cycle of big bangs, darkness can't take a hold of everything forever.