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Been in competitive sports all my life. Not been my experience ever.

Sure you did buddy, you are never going to live that down arguing with folks that Fitterer was a good gm. I mean that was your shtick for a good year when it was plain as day he fuging sucked. Time or not he fuging sucked and it still shows to this day

I am assuming this is true. And its kindof crazy that there hasnt really been a story about why Howell cannot stay on a roster. 2023 Sam Howell had to throw upwards of 50 times a game and 84% of his balls were catchable. Of his 612 attempts, 84% were catchable. (According to sports info solutions) EIGHTY FOUR PERCENT. That’s with the defense knowing he was going to pass. No run game. No defense having to respect play action. An atrocious offensive line. 84%. He was sacked 65 times.

Wrong. I said he needed more time. That was until it came out that he'd been undermining Reich. At that point, I said toss him.

15 completions. Less than 4 passes per quarter. 2 of his passes were on 4th down with the defense pressing. That was half of his offensive production. TMac and XL only had 1 reception each. Coker & Evans were his main targets. Couldn't even get Tremble and Sanders effectively involved. It was the Rico & Chuba show splitting 39 plays. The dowfield pass was used sparingly with good playcalling on 4th and short. There was no air game. Just 2 4th down highlights as his pass to Chuba was a swing pass behind the LoS. Playcalling, OL and RBs carried the offense.

No, but winning blunts and decreases any motivation the team might have to replace him.

Security blanket or not, Dalton is done. He can't win a game as a backup or even compete at a minimal level. He needs to go. Bryce has had a woobie for 3 years. Time to put that away.

sign howell, draft a guy and make it a fair competition I think we all know what would happen

87% of the time

With a 3% margin of error

Draft status follows you. 1st rounders get chance after chance. Mid-rounders often don't. I mean, they get roster chances but not necessarily chances to compete for starting roles, especially at QB. Evidently the Seahawks were interested in Howell in the draft and the guy on the staff primarily responsible for scouting him was their QB coach at the time... Dave Canales. Canales was the Seahawks representative sent to the UNC pro day. https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/seahawks/2022/03/28/seahawks-quarterbacks-coach-unc-sam-howell-pro-day/80280994007/

Jags lead the NFL with 36 drops (many have been huge ones). That supporting cast has been really bad (and hurt) on the year. Trevor is just Trevor. A lab built QB that plays aggressive/dumb. He will have 5 seasons under his belt by years in with 3 different HCs.....and just 2 losing seasons. Trevor is a disappointment in terms of being a #1 overall pick. But he is middle of the road NFL starting QB.

what the fug are you talking about?

As he should

Howell is an UFA in 2026 so it would not cost anything. For those who want to cut Dalton, that would be a 5.8M cap hit. They guaranteed 5.9M of Dalton's salary because they thought he was a good mentor for Bryce so the plan is obviously to keep them both in '26, which really means they plan to pick up the fifth year option in May. Adding a Sam Howell or third round draft pick in '26 makes sense even though it limits roster spots. Dalton is Bryce's security blanket.

How? Coen has been better than Canales at every step and Lawrence still struggling with a much better supporting cast.

That's what mini megaphones are for. It can end up with a trip to HR. I can neither confirm nor deny this. All I can confirm is that it's really funny the day before thanksgiving on the mic in the grocery store.

I've said the same thing. Give him a chance behind this type of line and he might surprise some people. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But he can't be worse than Dalton, and even if he is, it's not like Andy was winning us any games, or even being competitive.

It's a cheap money, no brainer decision Despite the inconsistencies, Bryce has shown he is able to QB a team that beat uber-strong contending teams. Despite all the negatives thrown around here like candy, he's gotten some on-field accolades in circumstances we never thought he would Worst case? We find our next bright shiny object, Dalton chooses to retire, and Bryce turns into a QB-whisperer of our own and morphs into a mentor/backup role before ascending into coaching (if that's what he wants to do)

It's not a wild theory. If Bryce is the guaranteed starter next year, regardless of what happens in camp, that's a mandate from either Dan or Tepper. You don't think that if DC or the players see that QB2 is seriously outplaying BY in camp, but BY is still the guaranteed starter, that won't affect things? You can't lead when it's clear you're not the one making the decisions. And if Dave is the one forcing BY to be the starter no matter what, it's still and issue because he needs more evaluation. At some point the evaluation has to stop, no more leadership councils, and just do what's best for the team. Let your best players play. How do you think history would have treated Bellichek if he had benched Brady after Bledsoe came back from injury? You have to do what's best for the team as a whole, not just one player.

I mean, I could explain it again. I didn't post a select group in reality, I compared all 12 starts from this season, to all 12 starts from last season. That is the legit head to head comparison. and when you do that, there is no improvement in his individual production. It's worse in yards, scores, and turnovers. So he did not improve if the argument is stats/individual production. when you look a the collective number on the year and then look at per game stats shown.....the fact he stepped on a field when benched for 3 plays at the end of a game and had -4 yards yards skews the per game stats. So you isolate the starts.

Why Sam Howell hasn't been given another chance to start on a team after putting up decent numbers on a bad commanders team running for his life (most sacked QB in the league in 2023) is beyond me, especially when you have the likes of Geno Smith, Bryce Young, JJ McCarthy, Justin Fields, Tyrod Taylor, Trevor Lawrence, and Tua still being given a chance. In 2023: Passing yards (15th) Completion % (14th) Total TDs (12th) YPG (17th) QBR (24th) I think Sam Howell would absolutely kill it in Canales' system. Throw a late rounder the Eagles way and go get him. Still only 25 too. Low risk high reward.

We won. But why did we win? Did we win because Bryce led a commanding offense all day? Or, did we win because of 3 extremely well timed turnovers that resulted in a huge swing in points? I'm going with the latter. Bryce did his part, but he did not dominate this game the way you are trying to make it sound. We beat the Rams on this given Sunday. He beat a 4-8 Atlanta team. Put up his best game statistically against them aided by 250 YAC. Wouldn't exactly call that a great team, even though they had the best passing D at that time. We beat GB. He was forgettable and the defense held GB to 13 points with 6 trips into the red zone We beat the Jets. Very good team? 13 points. Offensive juggernaut performance there Dallas and Miami - Rico does something not seen in the NFL in 14 years. 500 yards of offense by a RB. Our offense ran through him. More rushing yards than passing. Bryce was riding his coat tails against the 2 worst defenses in the NFL. 1st ATL win 30-0 - Again, forgettable Bryce performance. Defense destroyed Penix and he imploded. We won't agree on this at all. We've beaten the Rams with 3 key defensive turnovers resulting in a huge point swing on Stafford's worst performance of the year and GB with our defense making huge defensive stands in the red zone in really bad weather. Nothing he's done I wouldn't expect from a mid level starting QB in the NFL. But remember. The highs got higher last year and then he went swimming in the sewer to start this year. Insert another mid tier QB behind this line with our RBs and our record is the same if not better.

I would bet dollars to donuts a guy gets drafter. No way that doesnt happen

I think any reasonable non bryce stan can see this. The qb room has to be upgraded massively in the offseason