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Semantics don't matter. The Rams were a serious contender for a few years (hell, they still are) without their QB position solved. Hell, the Eagles were arguably the same way. People talked poo about Hurts (and still do). Let's not even talk about Carson Wentz and Nic Foles. You have to keep on building your team regardless if you're sure about the QB or not.
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Level Of Enthusiasm Going into Game 1
kungfoodude replied to kungfoodude's topic in Carolina Panthers
Nah. Just wanted a temp check on the Huddle patrons after a hopeful offseason and tough preseason. -
Josina Anderson: Panthers NOT trading Adam Thielen
OldhamA replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Cowards. -
I'm going to try to watch it just to see what we are up against this season.
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You don't stop building but you don't part with massive roster building capital for non-QBs unless you have a QB. This isn't that hard to figure out. It's the hardest position to get right. The NFL shows you that by the way they pay them.
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They didn't "drop" a QB in there. They swung a huge trade for a QB. Something you can't do if you're shopping off all your draft capital every two or three years.
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No one said that it wasn't the most important, but you don't stop building your team because you don't have your "QB solved." That's crazy. You build as you can and keep filling in holes.
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Josina Anderson: Panthers NOT trading Adam Thielen
frankw replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
This is not a playoff team barring an angels in the outfield level miracle. It is and always was a developmental season. And at some point your QB has to elevate those around him as he was drafted to do regardless. -
No need to keep repeating the same thing. That's your opinion. The Rams built a team and dropped a QB in there, and so did the 49ers.
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I didn't say they were right. I said it's proof that the NFL values the QB position by far and away over every other position. It's not debatable. That's why you don't even entertain trading multiple 1sts and more for any non-QB unless you're certain you have QB solved.
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He's 6th in RT average salary per year and first in guaranteed money per year among RT.
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If it looks like I expect it to look... He's not tradable at all. Best guess based on what I've seen. 2025-2027 with 2028 void year. 2025 - 8m salary with 23.75m cap hit with partial salary, plus his roster and workout bonuses converted to a signing bonus with void year in 2028. 4.3m salary guaranteed. 23m - 19m guaranteed / 25.5m cap 27m - 21m guaranteed 29.5m cap 2028 - 2.5m cap hit This is if the reports that his salary this year was changed and converted. If not, it's much simpler of a deal by a long shot. We know that he has an average salary per year of 19.4 and a guaranteed salary per year of 18.1m from 2025-2027. We also know that he has 54.3m guaranteed over the three years, which is how we get the 54.3m. So he's due 58.4m over the next 3 years in salary and 54.3m in guaranteed salary. So as of right now counting the signing bonus, his dead cap hits the next four seasons are as follows. 2025 - 81.25m 2026 - 57.5m 2027 - 32m 2028 - 2.5m This is of course a rough guess work of the information that's currently available. I think I did my math correctly. lol
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So, you think that just because more than half the teams are overpaying for a QB, that means they're right? Give me a break. Pass rushers are the second highest paid for a reason, and many of them are better football players than the QBs they play for.
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Agreed. And there's no value to parting with that type of haul unless you're certain that you have the most important position solved.
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I strongly disagree. Every potential deal is dependent upon the value.
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I can see and agree with your point here but the money from restructures is a sunk cost. New money being less than average for a player of his quality was a win for the front office. Getting almost all of it guaranteed is a win for the player. The whole deal is just smart football. He is as healthy as any other vet high end tackle with a history of being on the field. There's plenty of risk but that is the case with every NFL contract. The pros greatly outweigh the cons with the only two cons I can see if the guaranteed money being high and he's not a spring chicken. Both valid worries but his ability, character, play on the field, salary, and not having to watch Bryce run for his life are worth those risks IMHO.
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And the NFL has told you through actual contracts that literally half the league's starting QBs are worth more than the best pass rushers or any other position for that matter.
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Nothing because if you don't for sure have a QB you shouldn't even be considering it.
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I mean, what do you expect to pay for the best rusher since Lawrence Taylor? I mean, seriously.
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Level Of Enthusiasm Going into Game 1
Second_Solution replied to kungfoodude's topic in Carolina Panthers
Every team is even from a win-loss perspective and I'm a half glass full kind of guy so 10! The way I see it is if the offence can sustain longer drives it gives an opportunity for the defence to remain fresh and be more competent this year. I also think this year is it for Bryce. He has all the tools to deliver. Either he looks good and we have our QB1 or we move on in the offseason -
Like I mentioned, pass rushers are pretty coveted as well. Parsons is not some regular Joe. Furthermore, as I mentioned also, using run to set up the pads and the pass to set up the run is still a thing. And I shouldn't have to say it, but defense still wins championships. That is still a damned good blueprint for any era of football, damned near sacrosanct.
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I was way more pumped until they actually tried to football in the preseason. Now I’m dreading losing to the Jaguars.
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Josina Anderson: Panthers NOT trading Adam Thielen
LinvilleGorge replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
I'm good either way. If we move Thielen to free up snaps for the youngsters and get future draft capital, I get it. If we keep him to provide Bryce with a security blanket in his prove it year, I get it.
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