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I can not discuss Allen with Scot anymore, but I feel there are four in the same group and ANY of them would have the same success if not more than mahomes. Again Andy Reid is the best QB coach in NFL history. I dare to think the numbers Burrow would have without being sacks 60 times a year, Andy Reid's guidance, and KCs talent. Hed break them all. I wouldn't want to see what type of system Lamar would do with KC, it would be pure nightmare fuel for 31 defenses. Hed have over 1k on the ground and 5k in the air and challenge Toms 55 TD total. Love to watch tho....

Calm down now, gramps. Johnny U is still great. LOL

Most of the guys I would have considered elite have retired.

Wait till 2027 to complain about it

Pats would need to INCLUDED like a 2nd or 3rd in order for a team to take over his insane 35 million in guarantees. Just like when the browns traded for the Brock Osweiler trade. No team is claiming him. NO ONE. The best bet is to work out a salary % like pats pay the remaining 70% and new team 30%.

I don't think anyone puts anyone else in the league on Mahomes' level. I think he's clearly in that second tier though along with Lamar and Burrow. Then I think it's another step down to tier three after those guys.

Yikes

Never said he wasn't legit, but I don't put him on the level of someone like Mahomes yet. But I'd also add it wasn't just his team. Allen himself made his own fair share of mistakes as well.

bring back-

Igo stops by once in a blue moon and no one else has the admin keys. Just be happy it's not still the 2023 draft forum. LOL

Sweet Jesus, paying off lawyers and "women" after 8 kids.... Just LOLS. It's the same trap they all fall for.....Young and rich, spend that cash on every non-damaging means to not having kids..... then retire at "35" and figure out if you want a family. MYMT

It felt like the 2023 Draft took three years

MLFootball is a sh-tty source. That said, it sounds like they're paraphrasing some comments Newton made when he was doing the "Special Forces" competition last year. I remember those seeing him make statements to that effect. So...technically correct, but reporting is still refried zebra sh-t.

To just NFL draft. Amirite?

Even if Cam was making NFL money like he did….he would feel drastically poorer with 8 kids and 3 baby mommas in that pocket

I'm not ready to go that far yet but I get it

Congrats my friend, you were able to word patient and Tepper in the same sentence!!! Truly impressive and Id ever thought it was possible, bravo!!

What about 33rd overall or 65th overall... Great now just got a Edward PTSD flash back..... Until the team is fixed- all future picks should be view as the first one in each round, not joking... They, for the first time in gods knows, finally have all their original picks. A miracle in itself!!

I think they might be scarred after the BY trade if that move fails. Or even more so if Caleb Williams pans out. One hopes it will teach them to be patient but that isn't in Tepper's future.

I did not want to start or even think about *if* BY reverts back to pre-non last 9 games. There is a lane in which Panthers are looking QB after this season, I feel its higher than most will realize. I mean....not kidding... has any team ever traded up to 1st overall twice in the teams history? I don't even want to think within 3 years, just foresee Tepper squeezing Dans and Brandts sacs to the point were they are forced to trade up for a another savior..... The kicker is I feel this way with BY playing good-great..... I think there with be non-fixable problems for contract negotiations between BY&reps vs Panthers org on the whole. You can not pay 50+ million per over few years with 70% guarantees for 3,303 yards 15 TDs and 9 INTs......Cursed I tell you....

It's not surprising, but it's still surprising that many of these guys don't manage their money in such a way that provides them and their families a better lifestyle than most for the rest of their lives without even working a nine-to-five. I can't imagine making over a 100 mil for a decade and ultimately ruminating about supporting my family due to financial issues.

That why i mentioned the KC dynasty. Those three different playoff loses were not Allens fault, in fact 1-2 plays and Bills win. KC just have better players and better coaches and more luck. Defense-wise, Bills have been trying to crack the Reid-Halhomes magic. Its near impossible with rules and KC home field advantage. Spags has started to force the league in naming him the best DC in NFL history. I agree if you take away Bill bielacheat.... Add in Andy Reid the best QB coach and brilliant play designer/play-caller, I mean that's too much for one QB to over-come on his own. Just trolling or not, bad is bad scot. Allen is legit as any one QB has ever been.

Logically speaking, every trade is different. Speaking from experience, I'm extremely gun shy about trading away future first rounders

Not if Morgan trades for him first!

Allen as a quarterback is to me right now is what Andy Reid used to be as a coach. For the longest time, Reid would look like a world beater in the regular season only to flame out in the playoffs. That's Allen right now (Jackson too). Reid got over the hump. Allen and Jackson might also... ...but neither has just yet.