CPcavedweller

Would have rather had Golden, Loveland, or Warren but the rest of the draft I’m good with.

I mean, he’s said we’ve done bad for a while now and has been right… So your theory isn’t correct.

McMillan can’t get open. Bryce’s favorite target is a pure route runner who creates separation and we continue to take the opposite of that. 50/50 ball ability is great, but only when you combine it with the ability to run the rest of the route tree. Rule 1 for receivers is beating press coverage and McMillan cannot do that.

You do? Had we taken Golden, I might agree. Having him work with Theilen would have been ideal. It all seems very disjointed and stiff to me.

Tunnel vision? Theilen is the only guy who consistently runs his routes correctly. What do you want Bryce to do? I guess Jefferson and Adam’s should be traded too, because, you know, tunnel vision is bad.

He’s big, but I watched his highlights and I’ve looked at his measurables. Compared to Warren or Loveland he is average. He is stiff with good hands and lacks the physicality you’d expect at his size. He has soft hands and decent short area quickness but, again, his stiffness will negate the usefulness of that. Sanders is a much better prospect all around and Tremble is as good of a receiver. Mitchell may turn out to be okay but I think that’s about as good as he will be, okay.

Like Mitchell, I feel like we waited too long to address these positions. Horn has ideal traits for that slot guy but his production, particularly on an offense like Colorado had, is worrisome. Mitchell is stiff and seems to sort of be your prototypical average tight end build. He gets taken down easy by dudes much smaller and if he were a gazelle, he would never survive past being a fawn. Anyway, this draft seems as disjointed and out of sync as in years past. I see the plan, but the guys we picked up just don’t make sense.

I mean, Tet is a quality player. However nearly everyone in the NFL is a quality player. It’s about fit. I don’t understand the fit because I don’t understand what we are trying to do on offense. I honestly think a good comparison for him is going to be DJ Chark. Chark had some amazing catches for us, and decent games. However he wasn’t good enough to retain. I just don’t see how either Legette or Tet can be a first option with their limited route tree. I think we need to go grab a guy like Restrepo in the 4th if he’s there. He’s already one of the cleanest route runners in this draft and his game is very similar to Theilen. Taking him and giving him the opportunity to learn, like how the Patriots did with Welker and Edelnut, would be good. But the Panthers don’t think that far ahead.

Better than Golden? Better than Egbuka? Sure, at running go routes and wheel routes he may be. But Bryce’s favorite receiver is Theilen and that’s because Adam is a ballsy route runner with soft hands. The guy closest to him early was Golden. I still hold hope we draft Restrepo and Skattebo but I won’t hold my breath. The game has changed. We just got another guy who is big and can’t run crisp routes and that is my axe to grind. If we hadn’t drafted Legette last year, I’d be all for this. Doubling down on a failed philosophy is insane though.

To move up to the top of the 2nd round we probably have to give up far more than that. And, if history is any indication, the pick will bust. So sure, trade away effectively 3 players for 1 when we suck at drafting in the 2nd round.

Reaching for two players in two rounds is peak Panthers fandom.

Which is interesting. Teams claimed to be worried about Shadeurs measurables and arm strength. Some reason, I find that to be a cop out considering where Bryce Young was drafted. Sanders may get a lot of attention off the field and have his own interests, but I like his game. His stats against pressure are wild. He has all the tools you need to succeed. The fact he played as well as he did despite Colorado’s leading rusher having as many yards in 13 games as Jeanty had in 1.25 games is very telling. Meanwhile, we are over taking another giant receiver who was hand timed at 4.5 40 and can’t get off of press coverage.

Right. You want a quick hitting offense to receivers who can get open. The personnel around Bryce would be much better suited to a power run game and deep play action which would, unironically, be better suited to a guy like Sam Darnold. Unless we draft another Theilen like guy later on, I truly don’t get it. I still want Skattebo though. Have a feeling I won’t get that wish either.

Because their wide receiver compliment each other. Legette and Tet do the same things well which is run go routes. Neither excel in their route running, neither excel in getting off of press, and neither can get open against man over the middle of the field. Golden is a guy who could create 4 yards of separation off of press on any route because of his short area quickness. If you paired him with Legette and Theilen/Coker, I’d get it. Pairing three stiff receiving options with one fluid guy in Theilen just doesn’t make sense to me, at all.

I can’t even watch the CFC or whatever it’s called because of the horrible AppleTV deal MLS has. Play Regardless, none of this makes sense to me. In my opinion, this is an indication they believe Legette was a wasted pick, already. We have two guys who serve the same purpose, an aging Theilen, and a guy who would kill it as a 3rd option behind a guy like Golden and Theilen.

I think the casual fans are excited by receivers. This doesn’t make sense tactically, it doesn’t make sense in terms of roster building. It doesn’t make sense in terms of who was available in this draft. The Falcons have had, in my mind, a great draft. The Giants have had the first round they wanted. The Panthers just reached for a guy. We didn’t need a 50/50 ball specialist. We could have taken Warren or Loveland and got that to go along with a tight end. We needed someone like Golden out of Houston/Texas. The great teams in the league have fast, shifty receivers who can take an 8 yard out route 62 yards for a touchdown. Who can create 4 yards of separation with one toe on the ground. They don’t have two stiff X receivers who can’t get off of press coverage for your 5’9 QB to heave prayer balls to. Peak stupidity. Golden’s tape was insane. Egbuka is a true number one who can go and cut. Tet is a second or third option one trick pony who will hurt you when you play a defense who can play man. We will get pressed all day long which will hurt the run game, and it will hurt Bryce.

He can’t get off press coverage in the PAC 12/Big 12. He is a go ball specialist who isn’t particularly quick. Defenses will play tight man, jam at the line, and still the only guy who will get open is Adam Theilen. Taking this guy when you have both Loveland and Warren on the board is peak stupidity. Warren or Loveland could do everything you drafted Tet to do, and they can play tight end really, really well. Adam will still be the only open receiver and Legette and now Tet will flail around trying to get off coverage for all but three or four snaps. Welcome back to the Benjamin/Funchess experiment guys. That worked out really well when Benjamin got hurt and Funchess had a ridiculous season. What. A. Waste. They can’t sell me on BPA. They tried to trade down and when they couldn’t, they reached by probably 10 or more picks. If this fails, or worse, hurts Bryce’s development, they all deserve to be fired. This is playoff year. This is Year 3 after taking a QB first overall. Taking Tet at 8 is a reach of reaches. I hope it works out. I have a feeling it won’t. This guy isn’t Christian Watson or Mike Evan’s or Drake London. And each one of those guys plays with other receivers who can GET OPEN. See you guys in August. This is garbage.

Well Morgan makes me look like an idiot. You had two tight ends who can do the exact same poo Tet can do sitting there, a true slot in Egbuka, a burner in Golden who can run the entire route tree. we take another go ball receiver to pair with the stiff hip Legette, stiff hip Sanders, and an aging Theilen and decent 3 option in what’s his face from Holy Cross. I don’t get it. I really don’t. This will inevitably fail like every other receiver draft pick not named Steve Smith. Idiots fell in love with the measurables yet again. I’d have been happier taking Shadeur Sanders than this guy who can’t even get off blocks in the PAC 12/Big 12. We have gone back in time to the Funchess/Benjamin experiment which was fantastic, when Benjamin got hurt.

So what are we going to do? Trade Legette? Even if Legette is two, we don’t need another 6’4 go ball specialist. We had the Twin Towers experiment and experience, it didn’t end well. If anything, you would trade down and use the additional picks to trade back up to take Golden.

We don’t need another guy like Tet though. We already have Legette. They are the same style of player. we need a speed, shifty guy like the Dolphins have, or the tandem like the Eagles have. I’d prefer the Chiefs set-up with a Kelci like guy, as that has worked well for them.

I would take Kyle McCord in the 4th in a heart beat.

And statistics would suggest that won’t happen again, regardless. We don’t need to reach at 8 when the talent later is so close to what we would get there. BPA will be Graham or Warren. we don’t need Tet, who has the same exact skill set as Legette. We need a 5’11 dude who runs a 4.25 40.

We are also tormented by Everett Brown and other tweener picks. You don’t take a tweener in the Top 10.

Tyler Warren. We drafted a mini-Mahomes in 2023. He needs his normal sized replica of Kelci. Defensive talent is to be had later in the draft and I think he is the only true Blue Chip left at that point. BPA.

Right. Giving him the Kelci like tight end to scheme on the fly with, while also drafting the smaller, jet speed receiver as the Dolphins have done, would make this offense very difficult to stop in my opinion. If five touchdown Bryce was not an anomaly, he can be really good, and the offense can be really efficient. I just don't want Tommy Tremble's menial contract to be given as a reason why you wouldn't take Warren. He is different from Bowers in his build. He's not quite as fluid but Bowers is built more like an H Back than a Tight End. He is different from LaPorta and Kincaid in that he is far more fluid of an athlete. Again, I will die on this hill, but he is Kelci. He was a high school quarterback, he can run, he can throw, and he knows soft spots of the defense, as does Bryce at this point. We aren't taking him though, and this will be my last comment on it. Glad I found someone like minded on this.