DaveThePanther2008

When we hired Rhule we expected 5-11 season but what we didn't expect was the following year to be 5-12. We definitely didn't want to see 5-12 for a third year in a row. Winning brings an attitude. We finish strong it gives the players something to believe in over the course of the offseason. Secondly, these games aren't meaningless to the players. They still have a shot at going to the playoffs. Winning or losing record. Making the playoffs are a goal for every team, regardless of the record. Once you are in the playoffs everyone is equal. A team that sucks in the beginning of the year could be totally different come playoff time. Players love the underdog role and who knows what will happen. These games don't become meaningless until we are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. The only meaningless interpretation comes from fans who have given up on the season. This usually happens in here about week 5 lately. None of us, whether we are Pro or Con on Corral know what will play out. We all assume that we'll draft a QB this offseason. Mostly because we want the shiny new toy since Corral was an afterthought pick in the 3rd round. Our new coach or Wilks may like what we have in Corral. They may think we could address another position that will make us stronger and choose a QB later on, if we choose one at all. I know I am talking to a wall, but the tanker fans really need to understand who's playing the game. It's not some fatboy sitting on the couch with a controller in his hands. These are real young men that have spent their entire lives working to get to the NFL. Players and coaches don't give a damn about our draft position. As a fan we should embrace that our team wants to win and deal with the draft in April.

Really? You're an expert on Corral? Corral has many good traits and given a real opportunity you'll be proven wrong.

Gotcha

Agreed. So many more intangibles than how far or hard you can throw a football. Of course, it also helps if the questions aren't off the wall questions that some interviews seem to enjoy asking.

Sounds like what happened to Howell at UNC. 2020 he had many playmakers, and everyone was talking how he'd be at the top of the 2022 draft. UNC looked bad in 2021 and blamed most of it on Howell. He had several WRs dropping spot on passes. Richardson intrigues me. I haven't seen him play much but from what I've seen he can really zip it. I think his game will transition well to the NFL. If he gets a decent QB coach he'll probably have a high ceiling.

I don't think Fitt would do that. If we are going to burn a first on a QB he better have the tools to start, even if it is 2024. I am not convinced that any of these QBs are franchise type players. If Young were taller maybe him but otherwise, they most likely are serviceable. In our current position I don't think Stroud or Young will be there at our pick. I would expect us to go with another position of need or possibly trade down and get an extra pick or two.

Glad they got this done. Burns is becoming the face of the franchise.

They also had a back up plan with Foreman. No? Big difference when you have someone to back up than have nothing and hope that draft pick works out.

You're just a loser. You only think about how you feel about not getting a top draft pick. Professional teams don't focus on the draft in the middle of the season. Players are going to try to win and obviously you don't get it. Typical Tanker that only uses there desires and don't think about what Professional Sports is all about. I bet you're one of those guys that join a fantasy league and trade all your good players away once you figure out you can't win it all. You trade them to your buddy so he can win the whole thing.

You blew your who story with this insane comment. Hurney brings in talent to the NFL. I did a lengthy spreadsheet on Hurney a couple of years ago. He was money in round 1 and garbage beyond it. Not counting the first round he was well under 50% on his "talent" and only 2 or 3 Pro Bowlers outside round 1.

Obviously, you have no clue on how to build a team. You don't gut your team of good young players. But then again, your response doesn't surprise me.

A true "mature football fan" is going to pull for his team to WIN every game that they play in, not hope they lose. A "mature football fan" knows our management is going to do everything they can to solve our QB problem. A "mature football fan" isn't going to hope we lose so we can "Possibly" get a quarterback that MIGHT be a franchise QB. Meaningless for you and the other Tankers out there. Last time I checked we were one game out of first place in our division where we are 3-1. Our division leader has two games they are most likely going to lose. Based on your mentality that once you have a losing record you tank for the highest draft pick you can get. We'll just tell Brian Burns that we are going to sit him for the rest of the season, to hell with your sack total. You can get more next season. We'll also tell DJ Moore we're going to sit him as well. Don't worry you can achieve 1000 yds receiving in 4 of your 5 seasons. We'll also tell Bozeman that we are going to sit him as well but would like for him to come back next year. Hopefully we won't have a losing record at midseason, and we won't have to sit him again.

True, it also didn't help that the media was playing Rhule up to be the next greatest thing since sliced bread.

How did we get so baffled by this guy? So many thought he would bring an exciting brand of football to the Carolinas. Instead, we get an unaccountable bum that made us the laughingstock of the NFL. Definitely agree the worst Head Coach in NFL history. Move over John McKay you have company.

100% We need an OC that can utilize our talent to the best we can. Our DC has done a great job minus the Cincinnati game. We nearly shut down L. Jackson and hopefully we'll continue our success against Seattle. 3-4 since the firing of Rhule and trading CMC should be a great indicator considering he kept McAdoo to at least give us a chance. Firing him now would not have helped get any wins. I am not fully onboard with the Rivera/Fox comparison. Let Wilks have a full season with an OC of his choice and then we can decide who to compare him with. Get a good OC and we might want to compare him to Salah in NYJ.

A little testy are we?

It's also much better to hope we make the playoffs, than to sit and hope we lose every game so we can draft a QB that isn't going to be available by our pick.

Seattle - That's the one thing about the NFL. It's a copycat league. Like Arizona last year. Once teams figured out how to beat you, it's all downhill from there. This is where I think Seattle is. Pittsburgh - They aren't the same team we are accustomed to seeing. Detroit - This is probably going to be our toughest opponent. They have a very legitimate offense. They can put up points and are playing much better defense than earlier in the season. They went toe to toe with Buffalo on Turkey Day. Tampa - This will be a tough game because it will be in TB. If we win this game we'll have the tie breaker over them if we somehow end up with the same record. New Orleans - They have a very good defense. They would love nothing more than to destroy our playoff hopes in the last week of the season. The defense is going to have to get us there and Darnold just needs not to screw it up.

Depends on the value of the QB that will be there at 6-12. We shouldn't reach for a QB that could fall to the 2nd round when there are other elite prospects on the board. I'd rather trade down, maybe pick up an additional 1st next year than to gamble on a QB. If, Big If, Darnold, plays well through the remainder of the season than we can continue to develop Corral. Sign Darnold to a one-year extension and let him start 2023. Eventually we put Corral on the field and see if he is going to be our future QB. If he fails, then 2024 we can use our #1 pick on Williams or Mayes, including trading up with our 2 first round picks. We shouldn't reach.

I've been a proponent of Wilks remaining our head coach. I will say this, if coming out of the bye we get destroyed in Seattle I would change my choice. Win or lose we better come out of this bye week ready to play. I don't want to see another blowout like Cincinnati.

I get your logic; however, DE is almost as important as a QB. Without Pressure on a QB, just about any QB can win games. Darnold showed that yesterday. You are also assuming that we hit on that traded pick. If you expect your GM to hit on his first couple of picks you should also assume that if there is a QB outside of the top 5 we are going to target him too. So let me ask you this. If Fitt and Morgan along with the HC (new or old) feels that Corral might be the answer or that a 2nd round pick at QB is just as good, do you trust them? These guys spend far more time than you and I (probably combined) doing their homework on every player we have on our board. I would have to trust their judgment. Just for the record, I haven't given up on Corral and think with some valuable Reps and time he can be as good as any QB coming out in this draft.

Those that want to trade Burns basically imply that we should never sign a veteran to a 2nd contract. What they'd rather do is keep under the cap so we can sign 1- or 2-year Free agents to fill gaps until we get lucky and draft another great prospect. To hell with keeping our Core together. You don't let players like this go just to save money. I find it funny that those that bitch and moan about not trading Burns are the same ones that bitch and moan that we are living in mediocrity.

Obviously, you know very little about Johnny Unitas. Unitas was tougher than any of today's QBs. Much tougher. You breathe wrong on a QB now you get flagged. There was no 2-step rule on QBs. You were just another player and many of them got rocked well after a pass. You put Unitas, Staubach, Bradshaw, Starr, Dawson and many others from the 60s and 70s in today's game. They would be upper echelon QBs and hold many of the records some of these young guys do. They are Hall of Famers but are never considered as GOATs because of the inflated numbers QBs put up now. That's another argument. From 1956 to 1960 Unitas had thrown a TD in every game for 47 games. This was done in an ERA where defenders got away with so much more than today's offensive minded rules. Not to mention they didn't protect the QB like they do today. Though the rule book has continually been modified to increase scoring, it took 52 years for this record to be broken. Think what you will but there are several QBs from the past that I would put on my team over some of the best in the game now.

Absolutely, I have talked with you several times especially about Tanking and Corral. You cannot nor will not accept that you might be wrong. Apparently, you know more about American football than anyone else on this board. I don't think I have seen one positive post on any subject you comment on. All negative, all trolling. You should look in the mirror because everything you accuse me of, you're the leader in the clubhouse.

LOL. You're the one that can't accept another opinion. You call names when people disagree on Tanking on Corral and on Wilks.