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“I don’t know what you’re saying Bryce no throw ball far”

it’s honestly not just the protection up front, even if that’s obviously biggest component Marshall pulling up vs Atlanta gets a lot of criticism, but we’ve been late getting upfield at various points. The Mingo “overthrow” against the saints was exactly where it needed to be, and would’ve been a touchdown if the Z hadn’t let the DB jam the route so easily at the intersection of the rub that Mingo and whoever was outside ran into each other It’s always something little like that, and when you’re trying to throw the ball down the field, things generally need to be perfect

ahhhh I’m starting to see what the real agenda against Bryce is here to my point, there are absolutely things that Young does well that the Facebook rabble of this board isn’t going to comprehend but incredible for where he is at as a player-and yes-outpace where Newton was at. the effiency of movement that Bryce has dwarfs Cam, who generally labored to do anything concisely and thus he to be relied upon as a battering ram in short yardage situations. There’s a rampant myth that Rivera “ruined” Cam by running him in goal to go situations but the reality is is that Cam simply was not quick enough in tight field scenarios to routinely make those throws. They utilized his skillset and what he did well like a good coach should. Young has been excellent in those scenarios and the elasticity allows him to get it out even quicker. Cam was always a see it throw it kind of QB-something Young already does at a high level. Again, Facebook fans may not value it-but layering the ball (again, something Cam seldom did, as he generally had to rifle every ball into windows to compensate for the delay, ultimately putting a lot of strain on his shoulder) into a window before the receiver even gets there is an elite trait that scouts beg for for a guy at this stage in his career. There’s also the body control-most of Cam’s offlooks were scripted or preplanned and generally just revolves around a rapid fire headfake that seldom did its job. Bryce not only organically looks off DBs, but incorporâtes his shoulders into the bait, and-will use general pocket movement to shift defensive linemen so that he can work back to a more desirable side. He isn’t just moving away from pressure-He is literally moving the entire defense away from where he wants the ball to go. This is where the Brees comparison came from in college: this is such a rare trait, and it’s starting my to manifest at the next level. i get that most fans generally cannot perceive most of what they’re watching, but when you’re outright proud of how little you know I begin to have a problem. Every time I see someone make a processor “joke” and then follow it up by blathering on about NEED TO SEE THE BOMB I cringe

Your definition of “limitations” is is he big enough or fast enough to be a force multiplier in the run game and it’s far, far too narrow view of QB play. There are traits he has, right now, and demonstrates, that some QBs never do. There are things he does better of the bus-right now-better than Cam Newton. QB ceilings are not defined by physical attributes

what you just said isn’t even logically consistent to itself

I never believed that, and thus I must able to evaluate more objectively than others. i was also openly critical of his preseason workload also there’s nothing “basic” about it

You put a ball 40 yards on the outside shoulder with pressure in your face and the question of can he stretch the field is gone. I mean we knew that already because he’s already demonstrated an ability to do it at the collegiate level and that’s not something that just disappears, but the evidence is getting harder and harder for people who are so desperate to hold up whatever weird bias they’re clinging to ignore Throw two nice comebacks in this game as well.

Vertical passing game requires a lot of moving parts, lot of timing, lot of rapport, lot of interior protection. the panthers have a rookie QB with brand new players to throw to, a new offensive system, abysmal interior OL play, and question marks about the players on the perimeter. it was always going to take a while to develop but none of that matters because people here who JUST WANT IT RIGHT NOW are inconsolable and trying to pass off their juvenile impatience as something akin to tell it like it is edgebro-ism

you’re right about one thing, you do fall under that umbrella

The official definition of a deep pass in the nfl is a pass that is 15 yards or more. only dummy fans think that the best offenses are heaving 40 yard air passes down the field four or five times a game that just isn’t the reality of the sport anymore

Miami is a modern NFL offense and Tua is the perfect QB to run it. Tua gets the ball out really fast on early passing downs and they run well inside on those same downs. When you’re not facing a lot of obvious passing situations your numbers from your edge players are going to be diminished. they shouldn’t trade Burns unless they can get two 1’s

noticed the usual pff thread has suspiciously not been posted Best 1. WR Adam Thielen: 82.7 2. RT Taylor Moton: 65.0 3. TE Tommy Tremble: 64.4 4. RB Raheem Blackshear: 64.3 5. QB Bryce Young: 62.6 1. CB Troy Hill: 91.1 2. OLB Amaré Barno: 74.2 3. OLB Brian Burns: 71.7 4. DT DeShawn Williams: 69.9 5. OLB Justin Houston: 69.3 Worst 22. WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette: 55.2 23. TE Stephen Sullivan: 52.5 24. TE Hayden Hurst: 51.3 25. WR Terrace Marshall Jr.: 43.1 26. RG Calvin Throckmorton: 37.0 16. DE LaBryan Ray: 55.0 17. CB CJ Henderson: 32.6 18. S Jeremy Chinn: 30.9 19. S Matthias Farley: 29.5 20. LB Kamu Grugier-Hill: 29.2

people not seeing Bryce’s potential start to manifest has gotten to the point where it’s a dogwhistle for whether or not that person knows what they’re looking at when watching QB play

it really isn’t that hard to find interior line depth better than this but this team’s entire plan has centered around “Corbett will come back eventually!”

Yeah you have a “show me the baby” contingent here who never want anything to be done, they just want the wins to roll in with the scraps the team has Its why they were so endeared to Wilks. Beating up on bad teams? Losing meaningful games? An unsustainable philosophy? Doesn’t matter. For that short window-he gave them hope that it could work.

Yeah I mean you’re going to take L’s when you’re trying to build. You can either take them all at once or try to space them all out like we’ve done. lot of people are having a difficult time right now because their expectations were so unreasonable, I get the feeling it’s the same people who were so anti-tank last season. this would be a much better ball club had they simply accepted where they were at objectively last season and pulled the band aid.

“One source indicated to Go Long this week that some within the Panthers organization approached Reich and the coaches about needing to innovate offensively to fully maximize Young’s skillset. (More on this later.)”

they didn’t “finish one game out of the playoffs” they fell backwards into a contention game in the worst division in football and would’ve been humiliated by a much better Dallas team in the wild card round-as Tampa was. Wilks’ brand of play not to lose football has had its time to prove itself here through multiple coaches, and people have seen how that brand of football fares when it’s ultimately forced to compete against aggressive teams that can win through the air and score points at will. The league has passed it by and people clinging to the silly fleeting feeling of “success” they had for a few days before the Tampa game (when the team was better served losing out for a higher draft pick) are hanging onto an illusion simply because it was rightfully removed from here before it played out to it’s inevitable conclusion-again. making any determination about the QB is of course anti-intellectual at this point, especially coming off a game where he threw 3TDs in the road with no protection up front. you’re right though-they did tear down what they had. That was the point. They frightfully did not cling to the pretend illusion of “success” from the end of last season and made moves to build something more sustainable over the long term tl;dr they were never going to win the division this season and that’s on you if you had those misguided expectations and are now having to reconcile the disappointment, the point of this season was never to win. If they had committed to this season earlier than they did last season-they’d still have Moore, but they too got sucked in the whirlwind of a few pointless late season games longer than they should’ve, only made possible by how bad the NFCS was

they would’ve been the same mediocre team they’ve been since tepper got here. Now they’ve got a #1 pick at QB and a coaching staff with at least some legitimately positive coaches. they need to move on from the GM. They shouldn’t have gutted the team’s depth with stupid trades for predictable failures like the Sam darnold experience, they shouldn’t have stripped down the offense in their attempt to get up to 1, and I fear we’re veering dangerously close to saying that drafting Ekwonu over Charles Cross because of the local kid obsession was devastating. in spite of all those mistakes there’s generally reason to be positive long term, but they’re going to have to be creative. I don’t understand why we’re never the team that comes away with one of these steal of a deals. A good player gets dealt away for next to nothing because of an unfavorable situation. We’re NEVER that team.

Chinn plus our 2nd for their 1st (and an additional pick) is an offer I can see being tossed around. Right now our 2 is a top 35 pick. Their 1 is probably going to be 28-32. They know we’re desperate for a 1, but they know Chinn isn’t worth a one. It’s the only way to bridge that gap. I don’t know that it’s really worth it tbh. And yeah, it would be terrible to watch yet another player who was supposed to be a cornerstone go to a good team and excel. on the other hand I do think we’ll start to put it together after the bye when we’re healthier and the schedules softens, so maybe that 2 climbs up near 40-45 and the trade is more tenable. Then again, players in the 25-40 range are generally similar anyways. meh, probably still getting the short end of the stick. You can’t get so sucked into trying to get a 1 back that make stupid moves. They gave Christian mccaffrey away because they thought it was cute to effectively get all the Sam darnold picks back. Maybe if they’re willing to give us a 1 in exchange for Chinn and our 3rd I’d take this deal.

Shenault should get more touches out of the backfield with Hubbard being the primary back on passing downs.

the perfect commentary on the caliber of fan complaining about Young

watching the same emotionally stunted weirdoes hop in and try to do narrative control after a pretty decent performance from Bryce has been lolworthy

Bryce continues to settle in and look more and more comfortable. Gaining a lot of confidence in him as the future QB. Fitterer needs to go. The offensive line is horrendous, the Sanders signing was abysmal, and the team has no depth because of stupid trades like the Darnold trade that went as bad as laymen predicted they would. this could be a much better team.