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When a third of those were won by the Goat and a hall of fame coach, I’m not sure the point lands. Like 7 of the last 21 were Brady, which means 10 QB’s won the other 14. Now if we rephrase it as “The greatest QB of all time wins super bowls,” or “hall of fame talent QB’s win super bowls,” then sure. Now we just have to do the easy thing and draft a hall of fame QB. …or the plan could be to build the strongest roster in the most team sporty team sport, since even hall of fame QB’s lose in the playoffs every year because they don’t get the help they need from having weak teams around them.

Teams win championships. It certainly helps if you draft a QB who ends up being the Michael Jordan of football though.

Look forward to watching this. Thanks for the find.

Yeah I wonder what Howell, Ridder, Corral, etc would look like with Shanahan, those weapons, and that defense surrounding them. Not sure that thought experiment matters to the “Corral showed nothing in preseason” folks though.

I’m cool with disagreement and other opinions for sure. Your opinion is based on something that you can elaborate on. There is detail and thought to it. I really only take issue with those using preseason as the foundation of their opinion. Regarding the offense Corral ran, I see that more as a question mark than a knock on him. Similar to Young and Stroud playing at Bama and OSU. It’s not a knock they went to those schools, but it adds mystery to their individual ability. Either Kiffin ran that offense because it’s what Corral could do, or he ran it because it works. So Corral may be perfectly fine going through reads, but just did what he was asked, or he isn’t good at it, and the offense was simplified for him. Time will tell. Regarding injury, I’m torn on that too. He didn’t have much of an injury history at all until the end of his college career. He was plenty durable. Then he hurt his ankle, and played though the pain in the last part of the season, and then got hurt in the bowl game while playing through pain. Lisfranc happened of course too. So that (imo) is close to being a question mark too, as opposed to a knock. He may have just been unlucky. And what’s funny is that, had he not played through the injury, but rested and came back healthier, his college season may have ended differently, and his draft position may have changed too. Hard to tell. But there is enough natural ability, arm strength, and athleticism there that he absolutely was worth the draft pick. Particularly for a team needing a QB. We shall see how it goes. Hoping we keep 3 QB’s: a vet, Corral, and a rookie. With Reich and co, I’m hopeful they will figure it out.

Unfortunately a lot of people go after him and say he sucks. You aren’t one of them. You actually have a conversation. But, as evident by the “Icky is a bust” week 1 thread…plenty of people give up immediately on players, make up their mind, and stay there.

Maybe I should add /s to my post

Nah brotato chip it’s because he’s too small to play at this level and he ran RPO. RPO doesn’t work in the NFL. All in on Bryce Young no matter what it costs. True franchise QB no question marks.

Late to the party but see ya McAdoo

Who we are, and who we want to be perceived as. Often two very different things.

Howell in the 5th was silly even then. We should have taken him even after taking Corral in the 3rd.

Unfortunately people are going to use half a game of 4th string preseason with no reps to hypothetically under draft him. More teams are thirsty for QB this year, so although the class is deeper, I still think he goes anywhere in the first three rounds.

I do think that the rookie we draft/Corral will have the best chance of success here though. Great line (feels good to say that), Reich and co, and I’m sure we will add some weapons as well.

The questions that linger can’t be answered really. How would Stroud perform at Iowa instead of Ohio State? Would Young have been better than Corral at Ole Miss last year (and vice versa). The schools give me the biggest pause, and as I said, it doesn’t mean they aren’t legit; it’s just that it’s harder for people in our position to know. We are working with incomplete perspectives.

I think for a lot of people, they just don’t know about these QB’s and the risk is damn high. The top 2 QB’s are from schools that can hide deficiencies at the position. Doesn’t mean they aren’t great, but those programs always get production from the position. Young is the size of a slot receiver too. That’s risky. Might not matter but it causes a hesitation. Levis looks gawd awful at times this year. Might not be his fault, but who knows. Richardson is super raw, and has big questions marks to go with tantalizing potential. SO RISKY RISK RISK ALL OVER. Then I think of players like YGM who are busts as high picks, so ideally I’d like to keep our premium picks to take more shots at positions like edge to make up for said busts. If one of these QB’s drops to 6-8 then trade up, but imo there is just too many question marks in these guys to trade the farm for. Haven’t heard a convincing argument otherwise.

And @frankw, a quarterback who’s going to “win you games with that arm talent” (I assume you mean be the difference maker, or occasionally carry the team) isn’t what a bridge/backup level QB does. If they do that…then they start and get paid accordingly.

You are correct that it’s unfair removing the last game. It’s equally unfair that you don’t consider his other starts down the stretch this year. When he plays well, it’s because of the team. When he doesn’t, it’s on him. It’s just not that simple in football.

This all damn day. Some want Sam as a backup or as a dude who can play until Corral/rookie is ready. Those wanting more from him…that’s a tough sell. You can’t respond to both these posters the same way. They aren’t the same lol. I’m Mr. Nuance so I know this type of stuff.

Good post. Much closer to the truth that the person you responded to People refuse to think with nuance and just look at stats with no context.

It probably shouldn’t matter as much as it will, but Young being the 4th QB selected, or the 1st could be just a matter of measuring 5’10” vs. 5’11” 3/4.

What exactly do you think I was trying to say?

It’s still so early. Remember the Willis to Detroit at #2 mock drafts? QB is treated so differently in the draft since it’s so important and you only play 1 on Sunday. This draft doesn’t have undeniable QB talent, but the teams picking at the top need QB. So I could easily see 4 in the top 10, all being “reaches” based on big boards. I can also see 2 of the top 4 QB’s, if not taken top 10, drop all the way to the 2nd round. And maybe 1 goes in the 3rd. You draft a QB to be the guy nowadays, not to develop, so after the 1st round, the question turns into “when do you value drafting a backup QB?” Teams wild rather go another impact position with their 2nd/3rd rounds. I think that can influence prospects taking a free fall at the QB spot. You are drafted to be the guy or not. And if you are drafted to be the guy, you are drafted early.

Thanks Dillon Nuntits.

Cheers to this. This scares the poo out of me.