MasterAwesome

Can you just outright tell me what claim I made that you're finding so offensive? I don't like doing this vague back-and-forth where it feels like you're straw manning everything I say. You brought up Dalton last year; I simply laid out his stat line which I would say is objectively respectable for a back-up QB, and you're calling it a "boast"? And I'm "hyping Dalton up"? Huh? Just tell me who you think are 3 better back-up NFL QBs, because that's about the boldest claim I made about Dalton. Everything else is pretty mild praise. Unless you're a big Teddy Bridgewater fan and my comparison to Teddy is what offended you.

So he's the same dude as last season who had a ~67% completion rate, a 2:1 TD/Int ratio, 205 YPG, 95.2 QB rating? That looks pretty solid to me for a back-up QB. He's basically a Teddy Bridgewater who isn't afraid to take deep shots, which is one of Teddy's biggest criticisms. I'm not saying he's an elite starting QB. And if my whole point is that this board underrates him, then what is the point of mentioning how he was viewed last season in the gameday thread? Yeah I'm sure people were pretty harsh on him, because...he's underrated, that's my point.

Dalton definitely seemed to have a pretty reliable internal clock. Our pass blocking was awful yesterday, and there were so many passes that Dalton made as he was getting hit within 2 seconds. I would say he's easily a top 3 NFL back-up. Then again, an internal clock is exactly the type of thing I'd expect a rookie to need time to get comfortable developing. If we take a deep breath, take a step back, and put aside emotional arguments about how everyone over-hyped Bryce Young...it's a little wild to be comparing a rookie QB with 2 starts to a 13-year veteran with a pretty successful career, right? And acting like it's some damning indictment that said 13-year vet looks better than him? Dalton is definitely underrated on these boards.

Lance: Wilson: Lance/Mac: It's obvious you were gushing over Zach Wilson. Lance/Mac you were clearly very much on board with too. It's okay man, everyone has bad takes. That's kinda the point...it's silly to get up on your high horse and think you're above it all. Your post history is actually pretty entertaining so I went through a bit more of it. These takes above aren't even nearly your worst ones...let me know if you want me to post some of your Rhule/Darnold hype a couple seasons back.

Cool. I went to your post history, starting backwards to see how long it'd take to find a bad take. I didn't even have to move past the first one, which was a post praising Trey Lance ahead of the 2021 draft. But just cause I was bored, I went a bit further: you were also pretty hype about Zach Wilson...and even were on board with us moving back a little to draft Mac Jones. So I'd probably settle down just a bit.

Isn't this your guy though? https://x.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1706282546206527665?s=20 The awkward irony is that if we're actually playing armchair GM here, then we wouldn't have even drafted CJ Stroud if you were making the decisions. We'd have Justin Fields, whom we'd have hitched our wagon to, still convinced that he's our franchise QB. It seems like many of the same people making every excuse in the book for Fields in his 3rd season with a 5-28 record as a starter, are the ones who have abandoned Bryce after 2 games. And you are certainly the poster boy for it, which I would consider one of the most egregious double standards I've seen in my dozen humble years browsing this forum. BTW I'm also on record as wanting to draft Stroud this year. The difference is that I'm not gleefully circle-jerking about it right now, because I'd rather my football team do well than crave vindication about something. Or maybe all this overcompensation about Stroud is your way of trying to sweep your Fields love under the rug and distance yourself from that association. But Pepperidge Farm remembers...

We already knew Bryce Young has the lowest YPA of any rookie QB through his first two games or w/e (I don't remember the exact stat). This chart just illustrates the same thing. It isn't exactly some damning new piece of evidence. But also, I would encourage you guys to take a look at every other QB's passing chart because they all throw ~80+% of their passes within 10 yards of the LOS. I'm not gonna post any specific ones or else I'll get flooded with "YoU'rE tRyiNg To CoMpArE bRyCe To *insert elite QB here*?!?!). But this kind of pass distribution isn't an anomaly, it's the norm. Where Bryce needs to improve, is with converting a higher percentage of those intermediate passes into completions. Also attempting 2-3 more deep shots a game certainly wouldn't hurt.

It's about recognizing that this is quite literally a toxic relationship between some of you and your sports team. Yeah you have the right to keep following the team, but I think people are valid in voicing their concern for why you choose to willingly stay in that incredibly toxic relationship. Just like any relationship...like I have the "right" to remain in a toxic relationship with a girlfriend, abusive family member, etc. but there's an objective truth that it's unhealthy and in my best interest to walk away. The Huddle is, in many ways, like the antithesis to the real world. On the Huddle, it's the "cool thing" to spend hours a day going on emotional tantrums about how awful everything is. Positivity is looked down upon as the behavior of losers. In the real world...the whiny babies are actually the social pariahs who nobody wants to be around because nothing saps you of your energy quite like a one-dimensional wet blanket. Maintaining a positive outlook in the face of adverse circumstances is considered a good trait...crazy, right?! Then again I probably shouldn't single out the Huddle when this is more a theme of terminally online culture.

Apparently it's knee-jerk reaction two games in to worry about Evero leaving as a HC, but two games in is plenty of time to declare Young and Mingo busts, we're going to have a winless 0-17 season, and we're doomed to never win a Super Bowl during poor BigKat's lifetime.

If Dalton does play this week, it'll at least give us an idea of how much of the offensive woes fall on Bryce. Similar to last season when people blamed Baker's batted passes mostly on the predictable playcalling but lo and behold, when PJ and eventually Sam stepped in at starting QB after Baker left, all of a sudden no more batted passes.

If we're discounting Bryce Young's TD drive because "prevent D"...then are we doing that for Stroud's entire 4th quarter when they were down 31-10? Because he got literally half of his yardage (190 out of 384) and half of his point total (10 of 20) in that 4th quarter while they were down 3 TDs. Just wondering.

Nico Collins: 89.0 PFF grade through Week 2. I imagine that's gotta be at least Top 5 for receivers so far. We don't have to argue the talent of each receiving corps *on paper* - people can just throw on the YouTube highlights from these Texans and Colts games to see that their receivers are wide open in many cases, which doesn't appear to be the case with us. Not sure if it's our scheme, receivers, or Young missing the reads. I know your Week 1 analysis showed some evidence of the latter, but even then, they were more "NFL open" than "wide open" like I'm often seeing with these other QBs.

Not the only Persian poster...and we do not claim this man.

Nice try "Gash" Jensen...sorry buddy, ask your coach.

Thomas Davis not moving to LB and becoming a great player until a decade into his career must be the same alternate dimension where we kept Steve Smith exclusively at KR/PR before finally using him at WR after a decade. Which he probably also believes.

Well, if you look at TMJ in 2020 (when he had neither Chase nor Jefferson to benefit from), his per game stats are very much on par with Chase and Jefferson during their monster 2019 season. He just chose to opt out halfway into the season after declaring for the NFL draft, or else he was on pace to put up the same kind of monster numbers. I think he's clearly not viewed as on the level of Chase/Jefferson (his draft position shows that), but I think he also showed that he can be the guy, rather than just an overrated receiver who benefited from the receivers around him.

You are all over the place. How do you not see the irony in you being one of the most outspoken "sky is falling" overreactors from Week 1, while now bringing up D'Andre Swift who had 1 carry for 3 yards in Week 1? If you were an Eagles fan instead of a Panthers fan, there is zero doubt you would've started a thread on their message boards after Week 1 like "WAS D'ANDRE SWIFT THE WORST TRADE IN FRANCHISE HISTORY?!?!".

But even your thread was 7 wins to 6 losses. So still slightly favoring the Falcons when you combine both prediction threads, but we can just say 50/50. 85% of the board picking the Panthers is an outrageous claim.

Lol what? 85% of the board absolutely did not predict we would beat Atlanta...most people picked Atlanta to win. I know cause I embarrassingly went back to the prediction thread and read through all 14 pages just because I was so baffled by your comment. 19 picked Panthers, 21 picked Falcons. And that's only the explicit predictions...I didn't even factor in many others that implied loss but didn't outright predict it, i.e. "there's zero chance we stop their run game" or "I can't see us winning in Atlanta with a rookie QB".

I just don't understand how you can have this ignorant of a take when there's overwhelming empirical evidence of elite QBs struggling in their pro debuts. There was just a thread on it (see below). Did all of those QBs step on the field and immediately change the game in their favor from the first snap? Doubtful, considering there was another stat shared in here recently that QBs taken 1st overall were 0-13 in their Week 1 debuts. Even Stroud who "played better" put up 9 points (less than Bryce) and 0 TDs...hardly game-changing. According to your criteria, all of these guys were/should've been busts.

Zavala looked good, but then again so did Christensen. I read somewhere that he had one of his best games, and he's still only a third year player so it's not like we're in a rush to groom a replacement for him. Albeit he's older than your typical third-year player, but still only 26 so plenty of career left as an o-lineman. So I'd consider this a fluid situation - once Corbett comes back from injury, I'm not necessarily going to force a big shuffle on the o-line if it continues to look as good as it did in Week 1. If BC is playing well at LG, then why risk moving Zavala to LG and slotting Corbett back in at RG when you can opt for just the latter and keep most of the solid o-line intact? Regardless, it's a good problem to have and Zavala is looking like potentially a steal.

Is there some kind of minimum snap threshold in the data you’re looking at? Cause I saw a PFF article having Troy Hill at 76.4 which makes him our highest graded defensive player. It also had the worst 3 offensive players as Young (31.4), Smith-Marsette (37.8), and Sanders (47.7) but also Tremble with a worse grade (50.3) than Thielen (53.9). https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/lists/panthers-falcons-pff-grades-week-1-bryce-young-chuba-hubbard-brian-burns-derrick-brown/

You're both kinda partially right. The pro-football-reference stats seem wrong, I watched every Fields snap and he got pressured quite a bit but a good chunk of those were on him. https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/one-uncomfortable-revelation-from-justin-fields-game-vs-packers/ I can't copy/paste from that website for some reason, so here's a snippet:

Again, I'm not disputing his blocking abilities which are what were on display in that one clip you showed. He didn't even get a single target in the passing game, in a game where they were getting blown out 20-0 less than halfway into the second quarter. Initial impressions from that stat line don't scream "pass catching weapon" to me, which is what we desperately need. Sure it's hella premature one game into the season, but you're opening that door to premature scrutiny when you're already proclaiming him to be a big miss for our FO based off of one pass-blocking snap. If you're being critical of DJ Johnson's 0 snaps Week 1 and through the other side of your mouth hyping Darnell Washington's potential as a receiver after a game where he didn't even get targeted, then you're applying two different standards (immediate contribution vs. future potential). And the bold basically just reads "Warning: confirmation bias. Will overreact to singular positive plays". I don't think openly admitting that is helping you come across as an objective evaluator.

I'm not sure my takeaway after Week 1's performance was "man, if only we had a better blocking TE". That'd be near the bottom of my priority list.