CPantherKing

This is draft talk. Nothing to do with the success of 1st round QBs. The Texans just took the draft spotlight away from the Panthers and Young was the point. I already put out my view on how overrated the QBs are in this draft. They would have never fallen to the 2nd round, but I would have considered drafting them in the 2nd round. There is no QB in this draft who should have been taken in the 1st round. I didn't think Cam Newton should have been taken in the 1st round and I was right. I expect multiple conference championship appearances and at least 5 to 9 career playoff wins from a 1st round QB. I require 10 years and 1 SB championship from a successful 1st round QB. Otherwise, they were worth no more than a 2nd round pick. If you have lower standards for using a 1st round pick on a QB and wasting draft capital to build a roster, be my guest and enjoy a few playoff wins a QB who lasts no more than 8 seasons and maybe one SB loss.

Yes. It has has happened multiple times.

Texans won with CJ Stroud and Will Anderson. Like getting Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly in the same draft. Carolina is now a draft afterthought. Talk will all be about Texans now.

I enjoy seeing them on the phone talking to the team. Why did the NFL not allow that to be televised?

Not cutting to Bryce Young?

Tepper got what he wanted but he is not talking to Bryce?

They clapped but not talking to Bryce on phone?

On the phone with who? Not Bryce

Bryce is frustrated on TV

Bryce is not on the phone...

Panthers have yet to call any player. Who are they talking to???

The winning play is to trade down and not draft a QB in the 1st round. Teams should commit to any QB with college success to avoid the issue of not being able to settle on a franchise QB. Surprisingly, only 27 QBs who entered the NFL since 2010 have won a playoff game. Of those, 15 are 1st round QBs, with only 1 out of every 3 winning a playoff game. In contrast, 1 out of every 2 non-1st round QBs that teams commit to will win in the playoffs as their leader. Since 2010, 28% of non-1st round QBs have been successful when committed to by a team, compared to 19% of 1st round QBs on a championship level. The top 2 playoff-winning QBs are not 1st round picks, with 9 of the 23 active QBs with playoff wins not being 1st round picks. While all 32 teams will have a 1st round QB available to them, players like Brock Purdy, Jalen Hurts, Jimmy G, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and Tom Brady will continue to win and be at the top of the NFL. The last time all 4 championship spots were held by 1st round QBs was in 2010, and it is unlikely to happen again even with the influx of 1st round QBs. When a team commits to any QB, 85% go on to the playoffs with 8 of 10 1st round QBs and 9 of 10 6th round to undrafted QBs being able to achieve the playoffs. Teams should focus on committing to QBs with college success and avoid being overly reliant on 1st round picks.

Wanted the Barber brothers in the 1997 draft and I want the Brown brothers in the 2023 draft. I didn't get what I wanted in 1997 and likely am not going to get what I want in 2023. I'm sure the Brown brothers will also go on to be SB champion brothers. If you don't know who I'm talking about, then... and

Glad Charlie Jones is on the radar. He will have NFL success as another overlooked WR.

Colts GM likes to bet his houses?

Let everyone dive into the over valued QBs for another year. Question should be about what do you want from a QB? Playoffs? Playoff wins? Conference championship? SB championship? Dynasty QB? Then look at round value of QBs for each category when given a franchise opportunity. If they are never given an opportunity to lead a franchise, you can't consider them. There will always be QBs capable of winning a SB and being a dynasty QB that never realize it because teams choose to never give them an opportunity. Now, look at elements of QB longevity if you want a dynasty QB. If there are flags on a QB that may lead to their longevity or SB potential from being compromised, you let another team take the long shot and waste draft capital. QBs like Drew Brees, Kyler Murray, Bryce Young, and Russell Wilson should never be drafted in the 1st. If they fall to the 2nd or 3rd round and everything else pointed to them being a 1st round pick, then draft them and commit to them for several years while you get immediate impact players in the 1st round. Parcells knows the probability and risk. He knows the value of wasting 1st round value. The data has shown that the dramatic increase of 1st round QBs selected in the past 15 seasons has not led to a significant return of NFL championship success for the teams investing in rookie QBs.

For those who know Bryce Young's philosophy and his family, you understand you are getting a QB who will exit the NFL early like an Andrew Luck. Not because he has to, but because he has had his fill of football and wants to open his next chapter in life. You are not getting a 10 to 20 year QB mentality with Young. You are getting the short king for a short ride who will play the game the way he sees fit until he has had his fill and football loses it's fun. That philosophy is great for HS and college, but it won't hold up to fighting through the tough times in the NFL to be the best when the game becomes a grind and a job that requires the perseverance to push through no matter the cost for the betterment of the team to be the best of the best in a game that means nothing in the big picture of life. It takes a certain type of player and mind to achieve a franchise QB level like Brady, Manning, Montana, Unitas, Staubach, and Favre. Young is not that personality/mindset.

The QB value in the 2023 draft reminds me of 2018 and 2011 drafts. There isn't a championship NFL QB in the top of the bunch and none are worth a 1st round pick. One of them will emerge as a playoff quality QB, but all are overvalued as 1st round picks. I expect the same reaction I got during those QB draft classes. I believe the Panthers deal Young to the Texans and Stroud to the Colts. The Texans are not going to want the Colts to be the ones to get Young.

I've laid this out before. The Panthers moved up to deal the QBs. They do not have an internal consensus on a #1 QB. Lamar Jackson is still an option if they can get the price down by having other teams hand over #1 picks. If they can, they will deal all 4 QBs to other teams and go get Lamar Jackson. If they are put in a spot where they have to draft a QB because no one wanted to move up, they end up with Young or Stroud. I believe teams want Young, Stroud, and Richardson enough that they will move up to get them, and the Panthers control the entire QB market at the moment. I imagine the Panthers are looking at this as a no lose situation. It will be fun, but I doubt the Panthers stay put at #1. If the Texans don't move on Young, I could easily see the Colts trading up to get him and haunting the Texans in their own division. The Panthers keep Stroud and Young out of the NFC with both of them going to the Colts and Texans with the Texans under pressure. I then see the Panthers looking to deal Richardson to the Seahawks or Lions if they pay the price. Then the Panthers are in a position to deal Levis if there are any takers from the Colts, Raiders, or Titans. The Panthers make sure the Falcons and Bucs do not get to sniff a QB in the first round. We will see how it plays out, but I believe we will see Lamar Jackson teaming back up with Bozeman and Hurst after the draft if teams truly want these rookie QBs. Meanwhile, the Panthers still get a good 1st round pick or 2 in the the 2023 draft and stock up on draft capital for next years draft. It will be fun to watch.

So, championship teams don't rely on 1st round picks. Already knew that, but good to see more data backing it up.

In a 34 the NT is suppose to take up 2 blockers. The DE should take up 2 blockers as well slanting across the nose of the OT to the hip of the OG. With a good front 3, the OL should need 6 blockers. If the DL can not beat one on one matchups, then it is the DL that is the issue and not the ILBs. If 4 blockers are committed to the 3 DL, and 1 blocker gets to an ILB, there is still a free ILB to fill the hole and make the tackles with the SS coming down in the box behind the free ILB. If Sam Mills (who was regularly 225 to 230 lbs playing weight) was 6 inches taller and faster, would he have been unable to hold up to an NFL offense for an entire game/season?

Bumper Pool made Drew Sanders. Sanders was converted to LB this past year and Pool would make the calls and cover up for Sanders on all of his blitzes. You can see Pool in many of Sanders highlights on the play or coming in to clean up the play. Sanders is athletic and needed to leave Alabama to raise his draft stock, but Bumper Pool is the real value at LB from Arkansas. As for Sanders v Campbell, there is no doubt Campbell is ready to play LB at the NFL level and Sanders is not.

Well Fitt has been kicking 1.000 at assessing the value of some of the most sought after 1st round QBs. Cam Newton, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield He has the eye of Bill Walsh who needed minutes to tell if a QB has the skills/talents/mind to succeed in the NFL. He is in no way following the crowd who talk up and rate these QBs as a 1st round QB. He will load up on the 1st round gems just like Bill Walsh, Joe Gibbs, Dick Vermeil, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren, Pete Carroll, and Sean Payton. Obviously, this QB crop is going to win SBs for decades. No way they end up tanking like 1979, 1987, 1999, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2012, 2018, and 2021 1st round QBs. 1st round drafts with multiple champion QBs going in the first 10 picks are not a once in a quarter century event. The QBs being talked about in the first round top 10 have the same feeling as the 2018 QB draft with Mayfield (so impressive; Young), Darnold (so accurate; Stroud), Allen (so much potential; Richardson), and Rosen (so prototypical but cocky; Levis). Is Hendon Hooker the Lamar Jackson going at the end of the 1st or dropping into the 2nd round? I'm sure next year will be filled with SB champion 1st round prospects again, just like 2018, 2020, 2021, 2022, and now 2023. Beware Fitt. The 2023 QB class is overrated.

A great QB from the 1st round that has been able to transcend any system? So, that would be... Great coaches have proven they can produce more championship QBs than great QBs have proven they can produce championship coaches. Start with Joe Gibbs with Jim Hart, Dan Fouts, Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. Bill Walsh with Ken Anderson, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, and Steve Young. Mike Holmgren with Steve Young, Brett Favre, and Matt Hasselbeck. Andy Reid with Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb, and Patrick Mahomes. Better success with a great coach and a non-1st round QB. Use the 1st round pick on a generational playmaking talent like Will Anderson, an impact player out of the gates like Jalen Carter, or a freakish WR that will be a playmaker in year one like Quentin Johnston.

Lamar Jackson, Cam Newton, and Colin Kaepernick all in the same QB room. All get playing time with their own packages. Pair them up with their TE, RB, and C of choice. Rotate units. Top performing unit gets to play 4th quarter if the game is on the line. Championship plan. Better than any Capers, Seifert, Fox, Rivera, and Rhule offensive game plan. Let's hear it for all the Lamar, Cam, and Kap stans!!!