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From what I understand McClain is pretty connected with the Texans. I doubt he came up with the numbers by himself, someone is probably whispering in his ear. Ive said all along it will probably take at least a combination of “5” for Watson. Three 1st and 2 players, 4 1st and a player maybe they take two seconds instead of one of the first like McClain is saying. Maybe they count the #2 overall pick of the Jets as multiple 1st. Either way, all of you holding out this idea that Watson and his so called leverage is going to make trading for him cheaper need to give up on that idea. I do find it interesting that they are looking for young players also, minimizes the risk of them missing on all of the draft picks. That does help us though, we definitely have decent young players, especially on defense that we could include in a trade. Based on this tweet the starting point for the Panthers would be something like two 1st, 2 2nds, and Burns and Brown or Chinn. How many people would be happy with that?

Sounds like they did have offers of a 1st this year from multiple teams. All those suggestions of us offering a 2nd or 3rd seem pretty stupid now.

or maybe Detroit doesn't want Goff at all, doesn't make sense for a team looking to rebuild. Maybe Rams find a 3rd team to take Goff.

in the grand scheme of things, jobs in the NFL are very rare, there will never be shortage of guys willing to fill those spots.

yes, another Desean Watson post. I see a lot of misinformation in all of these Watson threads so it might be good to explain how some of this works. First of all the financial reasons Watson won't sit out too long: So far in his career he has made about $40m. Lets assume between agents and taxes he lost about 40% (speak up any accountants) of that, that leaves about $24m. Sounds great, but $27m of that was a signing bonus, of which he has only played one year of. According to Schefter they could actually go back after $21.6m. So if he has $24m and they can go after $21.6m, that only leaves $2.4m. To most of us that is enough to live a lifetime but I'm guessing he has bigger bills than us. I know he probably has some endorsement money also but overall he stands to lose a large percentage of his income. He needs his money way more than the Texans need theirs. He won't sit out for an extend time or retire. In regards to the "no trade clause" it doesn't create as much leverage as some on here think. A "no trade clause" has the most leverage when a player DOESN'T want to be traded. Example: Team says, "Hey Desean, we are trading you to Minnesota", Desean says, "no thanks, I like it here, I have a no trade clause." No trade clauses are mostly designed to help players NOT get traded. Once a player says he wants to get traded he basically loses some of the leverage that the clause carries. Example: Desean says "I want to be traded". Desean says, "I really want to go to the 49ers". Teams says "we have better deals from the Jets and Panthers, you can choose between those two or you can not be traded at all" The team knows Desean wants to leave, and they know if he wants to leave that bad he will go to most teams. Don't get me wrong, the no trade clause helps, and yes Desean can sit out and it does hurt the team but he doesn't have all of the leverage like some on here think.

they can take most of that $30m back

I would think that there are owners around the league who hope that the Texan's don't give in. I doubt many owners like the idea of players being able to force their way out. Personally I do think Watson has a very good chance of getting out, I'm just not convinced its as one sided as most fans think. The Texans aren't going to give him away for nothing.

and some older guy will get worse or retire, which will offset the young guys this year, there will always be a need for QBs. Some years the net change might be al little less than others but either way there will always be a need for QBs. If they trade him now its not going to be because they think it will be less next year, its simply because they want the assets now or to avoid drama.

You are forgetting about ego. That owner might be more than happy to make Watson sit a year, and give up an extra pick or two, over letting Watson get his way. Even though I have my doubts they would get much less next year. His trade value might go down somewhat after the draft this year, but then it will just go back up next offseason.

True, I agree with all of that, but here again that is why I said "close". What if a team already has an elite WR? Also don't discount the length of time left on rookie deals, 2 yrs vs 4 yrs. There are teams out there who wouldn't give you a 7th to pay Moore $16m a year and he is only one year away from expecting a new deal. I'm thinking something like Burns > Moore > Brown > CMC > Chinn CMC is hard to value, some teams have no desire to spend that much on any RB. On the other hand he seems to sell jerseys. Also I think he looks a lot better for a team that is in win now mode. If a team is in rebuild mode they would be better asking for Chinn and saving the cap.

^this People need to remember that you don't trade players, you trade their contracts. A great player on a rookie contract is worth exponentially more that a great player on a huge contract. I could actually see some teams viewing Derrick Brown close to Moore, 4 cheap years vs 2 for Moore. The one plus of CMC is that his signing bonus is already paid, so if a team trades for him they are just on the hook for future salary and bonus. We basically gave him a $16m a year extension. If he is traded he will end up costing the new team about $10.5m a year.

He has the 6th highest cash salary next year, that is expensive. It is pretty simple, if you think he is average or below average you don't pay it because his contract says above average. To put it in perspective, he is the third highest paid player on our team next year. Easiest way to look at it, can you replace his production for $8.3m ? or What if you can get 90% of his production for $2m a year, and then spend that $6m elsewhere?

If they traded for him they would have to honor it unless Watson and them decided on an extnstion. Texans didn't get a good deal on the front end. This year is actually the 5th year of his rookie deal. The only new money they have paid is the signing bonus. They basically paid him a $27m signing bonus for a contract that hasn't really started. Just another reason they are going to look for considerable assets in return.

Everyone keeps talking about what Watson wants but from the Texans point of view I would think any any deal that offers the chance for finding a franchise QB would be heavily favored. Specifically the #2 and #3 overall kpicks that the Jets and Dolphins own.

So does #6 make it to our second round pick?

that's debatable at best. They had a great defense that carried them to a lot of wins over bad teams. Lot of talk all year about how he was holding them back. Also, as I said earlier he is on the last year of his deal and has pretty big bonus due.

fans think in terms of the organizational history. Players tend to believe in the future and they have egos. All it takes is for him to believe in the new coach or GM. They have all of the resources to turn around quick.

Jets could give up 3-4 1st round picks for Watson, or they could give up some for Stafford, then trade down a few spots with the 2nd overall pick and get back more picks than they gave up for Stafford.

and he played terrible last year, and he is on the last year of his deal, and there is some thought they might be interested in finding a replacement. Not saying they are likely for a Stafford trade, but it wouldn't be crazy to see them in the QB market in some capacity.

I think there is a very good chance he could end up being QB6 or 7. If 4 QB go in the top 10 I could see #7 not making it past the 2nd round.

You are making the argument that our better skill position players make us a better destination to Stafford, I don't agree. You might think so, even I might think so, that isn't the point. I can see Stafford viewing teams such as Pittsburg or Indy as being better situations. Just like it doesn't take years to be a contender, it doesn't take you skill positions long to change. Samuel might be leaving, last year of Robby, and Moore doesn't have an extension and CMC is a RB. Indy has the second most cap space, they can easily sign a FA WR. As a Panther fan I would love to think we are the most desirable team in the league, I commend your dedication, I just don't agree with it.

because he is getting older, and they are in a position to take one. A team like Atlanta doesn't plan on picking that high that often and even when they do there isn't a guarantee that there will be a worthy QB prospect there. In a perfect world they would probably prefer to draft Ryans replacement next year, or the year after, but they might not get the chance. Might be hard for them to turn down the chance to draft someone like Fields. These are 4 very highly rated QBs, 3 of them might be #1 picks other years. Teams can go decades without being able to draft #1 type QBs, you don't past that up.

The split seems somewhat amicable, I would think they will work with him to some degree. They aren't going to give him away for nothing, also I'm sure they would like to keep him out of the division, but I expect them to work to help them get to somewhere he wants to be.

All the Cam fans get upset with the comparison but it does make sense on some levels. They aren't saying Lance is as good as a runner but he is a bit of a power runner like Cam. Neither were Lamar or Vick style runners. Cam was so much different because you could call designed power runs, Lance has some of that. Also when people talk about arm strength Cam was in a different tier than almost all QBs. A lot QBs get described as having good arms, but Cam was probably a top-3, if not top level arm in the league, based on pure velocity. Lance falls in the category. Saying he has the strongest arm since Cam, and is the best power runner since Cam, are actually compliments to Cam. That doesn't mean they think he is better than Cam at those two things, it means they think he does those things better than all of the people since Cam. Shows you how rare Cam was. Personally I like the Allen comp is better than most. Good athlete, elite arm, questionable accuracy coming out of college.

Your fandom is cute. and WFT won more than us without a QB Pittsburg won more than us without a QB Patriots won more than us without a QB Indy won 11 games with Rivers, do you seriously not think that Stafford considers himself as good as Rivers. Denver won more than us without a QB. San Fran won more than us without a QB.