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Good point. And at least a team believed that Teddy could still be a “bridge” starter. And still only took 3M of his salary. Don’t see another team bailing the Panthers out for a backup, if that?

Check the date of the article. 2017. Now it’s guaranteed no matter what. The real problem with the team exercising it was there was no upside to it. At all. Best case he goes “Tannehill” and they sign him long-term. And his cap hit in the first year would probably be less than the 19M anyway. If Darnold was playing great right now, it still wouldn’t make any sense to have done it. Now, for the 2nd year in a row, they are going to be trying to get a team to pay 2-3M for Darnold to be their backup while the Panthers eat the rest. Just like Teddy.

Instead of going after two of the worst options available, in both level of play and injury history, could have easily used that 14.5M guaranteed for Kevin Zeitler and/or Matt Feiler. Both signed for about 7.5M a year. Average was their floor. Instead that went to two players who have maybe one season between them that would be considered close to average. When they were actually healthy. Add that the planned starter at LG(Miller) was a FA and couldn’t get any offer above vet minimum after starting all last year. And still no team thought he was worth anything as a 27 year old starter for multiple seasons. The excuse that there were no options is just plain false. The problem is Rhule the GM has made it very difficult on Rhule the HC. From day one.

So they traded for a damaged player with an injury that keeps coming back? But will heal with a “proper” off-season as opposed to the 0ff-season he just had that evidently didn’t do the job?

You have to convince a team he is worth the 8M guaranteed base salary he has for next year. Since the Panthers would eat 18M in dead cap, he’s not a huge risk to a team that acquires him. They could walk away for nothing after 2022. Maybe someone takes a chance. I just wouldn’t expect much.

None. His contract didn’t run out. They would have to cut him. You don’t get comp picks for players you cut.

There is an opt out on any contract, every year. It’s just deciding if it is worth it. And this isn’t even valid information as his restructure isn’t on there. The correct one is below. 12.8M dead cap after a 14M hit for 2022. Current Contract Christian McCaffrey signed a 4 year, $64,063,500 contract with the Carolina Panthers, including a $21,500,000 signing bonus, $38,162,500 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $16,015,875. In 2021, McCaffrey will earn a base salary of $990,000, a restructure bonus of $7,047,500 and a workout bonus of $200,000, while carrying a cap hit of $6,899,500 and a dead cap value of $33,537,500. CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $64,063,500 SIGNING BONUS$21,500,000 AVERAGE SALARY$16,015,875 GTD AT SIGN:$30,062,500 TOTAL GTD:$38,162,500 FREE AGENT:2026 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING WORKOUT RESTRUCTURE CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2020 24 $825,000 $6,969,782 - - $7,794,782 $32,732,282 $22,337,274($22,337,274) 2021 25 $990,000 $4,300,000 $200,000 $1,409,500 $6,899,500 $33,537,500 $8,237,500($30,574,774) 2022 26 $8,400,000 $4,300,000 $200,000 $1,409,500 $14,309,500 $26,638,000 $8,600,000($39,174,774) POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, 3 YR, $39,174,774; $12,828,500 DEAD CAP 2023 27 $11,800,000 $4,300,000 $200,000 $1,409,500 $17,709,500 $12,828,500 $12,000,000($51,174,774) 2024 28 $11,800,000 $4,300,000 $200,000 $1,409,500 $17,709,500 $7,119,000 $12,000,000($63,174,774) 2025 29 $12,000,000 - $200,000 $1,409,500 $13,609,500 $1,409,500 $12,200,000($75,374,774) 2026 30 UFA Contract Notes: $30M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2020 salary + $7.7M of 2021 salary) $8.1M of 2022 salary fully guarantees on 3/21/2021 (injury guaranteed now) $1M of 2023 salary guaranteed for injury

Brown was double teamed the 6th most of any DL last year. I’d call that accounting for him. And propping up Star just further a my point. How many sack or pressures did he have. But he was still worth the pick. You are the one who doesn’t understand all this because it “what about sacks” and nothing else.

Depends what rumor you want to believe? Was Hurney the “driving force” behind the Teddy signing and 34M guaranteed contract. Or was he in “love” with Hebert because he was the only guy that went to watch him work out. So he convinced the team to overpay a bridge QB even though he supposedly “loved” Hebert? Truth probably is they believed in TB and would have taken Brown over Hebert even if he fell. You don’t pay a “mentor” that much. And Hurney had as much say as many of us did.

When pass rush win rate was referenced, you claimed “what about a sacks? ”. Suh had 4 sacks his second year? Did he not play well or was he double-teamed constantly like Brown is? You just do your usual move the goalposts and “chuck” out any info that doesn’t fit the agenda.

No. I gave a perfect example to show your “sacks is all that matters” theory is “chuck-like”. A very well known example to everyone on here. Those are your words. Suh had 4 sacks his second season. Did he suck?

Exactly. So why is sacks the most important thing again?

McCoy, Butler and Poe combined for 15 sacks in 2019. The team was 2nd in sacks in the NFL with 53. How did that defense do again?

I can give Burrow best(most productive) season with no issue. But Cam carried a team, plus had to deal with a witch hunt from the media.

If it’s not the best college season ever, it’s easily the most valuable to a team. 6 players on that team got drafted. Fairley, who was a monster a DT that year, two 7th rounders(Ziemba, Zach Clayton) a 4th round OG(Mosley) and two FR backup DEs in Dee Ford(1st in 2014) and Corey Lemonier(3rd in 2012). Compare that to other BCS winners and it’s shocking. 2nd in NCAA in passing and SECs leading rusher. Against a schedule that was as tough as any team has had.

That’s not how it works. And it’s 9.2M on Sportrac but either could be right. Not much difference. When the contract ends, all the cap space hits. His contract voids on Feb. 10. And his 8 or 9M will be dead cap space they can’t use going forward. Same with Reddick. These aren’t cuts. They are restructure from his 2nd and 3rd years to save more money for a “rebuild”. Converted salary into bonus spread among fake years.

And Fields will cost less for 4 seasons than Darnold will for this one.

Paradis is 9.2M Reddick is 4M Elf and Erving both have 7M cap hits for probable backups. And no 2nd or 3rd pick…..yet. At least not until they devalue their top pick. No QB. Need 4 OL. A DT. A LB. A FS. Another 40+M in dead cap. And it’s all on the current staff.

Plus 13.2M for Paradis and Reddicks void years. And Darnold will get 18.5M to either backup here or somewhere. That will be dead or useless cap space. Erving(5.6M) and Elflein(4.6M) will need to be addressed. Just those put them just about where they were the last two years.

Didn’t you catch a ton of flack for saying RA was unhappy with Darnold acquisition when he didn’t report or something? Hmmm…. I was told it was a great deal and and the proof was in make believe salary cap info. from “insiders”.

Why would it be a 3rd at 18.5M when the best example is a 2nd for 16M? And Cleveland announced their “tank” before the draft so we’re in a position not to care, and went 0-16. Plenty of teams have no shot every year and this deal is as rare as it seems. Wasting cap space is as bad as tossing away draft picks. Especially ones being used to cover up a horrible decision

So you think an NFL team will blow 18.5M of cap space for a 4th round pick? We are well aware of what is meant. The Osweiler trade is brought up every time one of these contracts becomes an anchor. This is not some new concept.

Osweiler had a 16M guaranteed base salary for that year to whatever team traded for him. Much like Darnold. And that took a 2nd. What would this cost? A 2nd and a 3rd that they don’t even have anyhow.