SteveSmithTD89

I was driving the bandwagon for Baker and a LT at 6 pre draft. My stance remains the same - all depends on the price. If we're talking a conditional 6th/7th and they eat 75% of his salary or swap Darnold I am ecstatic for the move. Probably even more so now that we were able to get Corral in the 3rd too. If we trade anything higher than a 3rd while Cleveland avoids paying any of his salary or taking Darnold off the books I'll be livid and get my pitchfork ready with the rest of you. Just gonna wait to see how this unfolds.

Bro I was not ready for this. Just when you thought it was over that editor note hit me like a ton of bricks. Jesus. I can't even imagine. God bless that young man. Hug your loved ones folks.

Iiiicccccckkkkkyyyyyy!!!!!! Ecstatic with the pick.

"The way it is in the building right now, Sam is our starting quarterback" That quote doesn't mean poo if the building changes when we get another QB be it a rookie or Baker.

You're probably right since I completly glossed over and missed they had two seconds and I used 62 instead of 50. 29,30,50 does get us there.

For what its worth would still be a negative trade. They'd need their 3rd to get over the point value. Only reason I bring it up is because of the teams Camp Confidential series that showed our draft room and Teppers incisitence to tell teams to quit calling with negative trade offers. So I'm assuming they're using some form of draft charts, whether it's the ones we use who knows.

Carry over some, obvious restructures of Moton and DJ. Extensions for Burns and Shaq. Its not hard to free up a quick 40-50 million but there will certainly be more holes next year.

Yall are so quick to hate you've forgotten about the ole Matt Rhule kiss of death. So long Darnold, we barely knew thee.

I feel better about Howell in mid to late teens than I do any QB at 6.

I would even be willing to pay him 20-25 million for a year or two as a bridge QB. We are a playoff team with him or Baker this year. I just could not stomach moving anything close to a day 2 pick AND paying him 27 million for one year before needing to resign/tag him again.

Going by the value charts next years 1st and our 4 this year get us close point wise. Next years 1st and 3rd gets us there too. Issue becomes if its obviously for a QB. All charts and values go right out the window if a QB is involved.

I dont see it. Its a one year deal. If we needed the cap space to get a guy like Watson, Armstead etc then maybe. However we are currently sitting with the most cap space in the NFL with few premier players still left. I think it would be more likely we keep him on the roster outright. I have a hard time seeing the value in parting with a player just to dump Sam unless a mid round pick is coming back.

New contract expected to make him highest paid receiver in the league.

And you couldn't do that with 20 million? And based on how he treated his son both before and after he was born Im gonna go ahead and assume that hes not too concerned about their wellbeing over his own.

Based on Raps last tweet about them offering to make Hill "one of" the top paid receivers I imagine they probably offered him 20/year and he likely wanted Adams money. Honestly be tough to split hairs over 8 mil a year if you're looking at playing with Mahomes/Reid or going to Zac Wilson/Tua... One of those isn't like the other. I dont blame the chiefs though. Good as he is now he's 28 and unlike other smaller stature guys like Smitty who could still out muscle any DB his speed and quick twitch are his primary assets. How long into his 30s till he's a shell of himself? TY Hilton, DeSean Jackson, Mike Wallace, Heyward-Bey, all straight line speed guys that vanished pretty quickly... Now granted Hill is far superior to all of them but 20ish million a year is a big risk, especially if they could get two firsts like they're looking for.

This pro day really enforces that there is a lot to love with both Willis and Pickett. Whoever we end up with I'm very excited for especially if Rhule takes a hands off approach to the offensive staff he's assembled and let's them develop and coach.

Im a huge Teddy fan. Born and raised in Louisville, my 11 year old lab is named Teddy... it was everywhere on every news and media outlet as soon as it came out he was going to do the pro day with out his gloves, everyone had a bad feeling what would happen. He gambled and the results speak for themselves. That decision is a big reason why Bortles went 4th overall.

Teddy Bridgewater lol

I've been driving the Baker train for the past week or so... I'm all in on Willis and Cam, go get an LT - whatever Armstead wants, pay it.

McAdoo sitting there with a big smile on his face rocking back and forth....

IF we could secure a long term LT whether that is BC making the step or signing Armstead I would be very interested in either Willis or Pickett at 6. Lots to like with both of these young men.

Was my primary concern as well. I think QB School did a break down on it last year. That said he apparently absolutely crushed the interview portion of the combine though and left a great impression with a lot of coaches. Came across as very coachable. The raw physical talent, strong character and that report would let me easily pull for the kid and get behind him if he is the pick at 6. Looking forward to watching this one and seeing how much of a presence we have here today.

Id argue Ryan was throwing to Kyle Pitts and a punch of practice squad players on a team, that now without him has the worst roster in the NFL. Ryan also has the respect that comes with an MVP and has missed 3 games in 15 years. I wouldn't want Ryan for a 3rd but could at least see why the trade was made. Bakers 3.1% doesn't scare me nearly as much as he's a year removed from a 1.6% in 2020 after playing through injuries last season. I'll concede Jimmy also was fighting a thumb injury and if memory serves a few of his interceptions were in that last month stretch. I just don't know that I see enough to determine that Jimmy is "much" better than Baker. Darnold? Absolutely, no arguments here. Without knowing what each would cost I can't make an absolute decision but I'd pass on either of them if they're wanting more than a 4th/5th.

He also passed for 20 TDs which was the same amount as Taylor fuging Heinicke (20) and two more than Teddy Bridgewater (18) in one more game. That TD figure also falls dramatically short of every other QB you mentioned with Mahomes (37) Herbert (38) Allen (36) Rodgers (37) and even Tannehill (21) Garoppolo also threw 12 Interceptions and his interception rate was good for 23rd in the league behind the obvious superstar QBs like Davis Mills, Daniel Jones, Jared Goff, Ben Roethlisberger, Jalen Hurts, Tua Tagavailoa, Teddy Bridgewater and a rookie Mac Jones. The two games against the Packers - in 2020 he was 6/8 for 77 (SEVENTY SEVEN) yards. Last year he went 11/19 for 131 yards and a pick at the goal line that took points off the board in a one score game. Lets quit with the revisionist history. The defense and special teams with the blocked punt for a TD won that game. You can win games with a guy like Garropolo but he is not an elite QB and has done absolutely nothing to warrant being in the conversation with any of the guys you listed (admittedly I don't think Tannehill does either) there are also legitimate concerns over his durability. You praise his one full season while ignoring the fact he has not stayed healthy in 84% of them. Now, at age 30 (31 by mid season) he has a shoulder surgery and wont be ready for offseason installments in a new system with new receivers? And he is gonna cost 25 million for one year before we have to commit big money long term/tag him? I could maybe get on board with a 6th or future 5th but anything more than that I am firmly out.

Just for fun here's 3 QBRs the last 3 seasons. A) 2018 - 61.8 2019 - 70.5 2020 - 63.7 B) 2018 - 51.2 2019 - 54.2 2020 - 65.5 C) 2018 -45.9 2019 - 45.6 2020 -32.9 Player A is Deshaun Watson, Player B is Baker Mayfield, Player C is Sam Darnold. Let me be clear, I am only driving this train based on the presumed low cost associated with a trade. If the Browns are wanting anything more than a future 4th/this years 5th I'm out. Talent is there to take a flyer in a down year for the NFC and as sad as it is... Baker would be our best QB since 2017.