Mr. Scot

Posted in the playoff thread

Does dumping Fitterer and Morgan in favor of guys like Jeff Ireland sound like a better situation to you? That's one of the expectations if Payton is the guy.

It's been reported that Payton wants full control, and Joe Person erson went as far as to say that the current group of football people (including Fitterer and Morgan) would likely be looking for work after Payton got in and hired his own people. If he's the hire it's gonna be a Tepper decision.

From the Cowboys official Twitter...

A college guy is different than a guy who's been in the NFL for two years, barely seen the light of day and been (hypothetically) shipped out in favor of a seventh round rookie. Under Rhule. I'm not up for continuing his practices.

I don't like him, but that's not why I wouldn't want him hired. I don't like what we'd have to give up for him. I don't like that he'd want full control. I don't like the idea of hiring a guy who was successful elsewhere and hoping that he has the same success in an entirely different system without the quarterback that helped make him. And I don't like the idea of Tepper "swinging for the fences" again rather than taking a more measured approach. That's my reasoning.

The returns just kept diminishing. And again, Parcells Is a guy who insisted on having full control, just as Peyton would. Yet the only team he actually won a Super Bowl with was the one where he didn't have it.

There's no way in hell I'd give up a pick that high for a guy that unproven.

But not to the Super Bowl. I'd also add that Parcells Cowboy teams weren't anything to write home about.

Not convinced of that, but if true I'd really hope Tepper doesn't fall for it.

Bledsoe was good, just not good enough. I'm not yet convinced that Lance is good. Hell, I'm not really convinced that Purdy is good, but if the Niners think he's better than Lance...

And who couldn't replicate his prior success even though he was coaching one of the premier teams in the league with the acknowledged best receiver in the game. Also a coach who absolutely insisted on control and likely wouldn't be able to handle today's players.

You go with the better option, contract be damned. If they don't think Lance is better than a seventh round rookie, that says something.

You mentioned coaches having been successful this year. I'd call that 'recent". I would add since you're arguing for retreads, the historically successful retreads you were talking about were overwhelmingly guys who did not win a Super Bowl on their previous job. As has been mentioned here before, no Super Bowl winning coach has ever replicated that success with a second team.

Given what they gave up to get him, they're not exactly set to make a profit on this either way.

Not exactly... Honestly sounds like Payton is taking the initiative, but I'm not sure he'd do so without some positive indication from the Broncos.

The hypothetical is that they're moving on from him. If we were moving on from somebody we'd given up massive draft capital to get after just two years, and doing so in favor of a seventh round rookie, what would you think?

Right now, we absolutely are. There's hope that we can crawl out of this position, but at the moment that's where we're at.

If he can't make it in a Shanahan system after two years of practice, that'd be a huge red flag for me.

Who are the other three coaches besides Reid that are still in the Super Bowl race? For that matter, who were last year's Super Bowl coaches?

Not Just the draft picks, but the full control aspect. Joe Person pointed out that Payton would likely fire the existing football people in favor of his own guys. That tells me the existing guys probably aren't big fans of hiring Payton.

Because it ignores experienced coaches like Frank Reich, Don Martindale, Rich Bisaccia and others. But we haven't interviewed very many of those guys, and I'd still take it over going with someone like Payton.

Saints reporter Jeff Duncan... So not even an officially scheduled interview so much as Payton just flying out there and planning to meet with them. That does sound kind of ominous.

I'm talking about methodology (see above)

That's why you do research and involve smart football people. If all you're doing is falling for the best sales pitch, that's how you end up with a guy like Rhule.