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"Bottom of the class": Bruce Feldman talks Combine quarterbacks
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Plus the owner seems to like making big splashy moves so he can say "Hey, look everybody! I've got great big brass balls!" -
Yeah I know, another Watson thread. But this one is about a pretty important (albeit unpleasant) topic and has a lot of relevance toward what happens next.. In the article linked below, ESPN's Sarah Barshop explains the details of the grand jury proceedings and their possible results. What do Friday's grand jury proceedings mean for Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans? Some of the highlights... It's not guaranteed to be finished in one day While a decision on criminal charges could come as early as Friday, grand jury deliberations could go into next week. Two women filed criminal complaints without filing lawsuits Watson’s attorney, Rusty Hardin, told ESPN in July that 10 women had filed complaints with Houston police about Watson. Eight of those women have also filed civil lawsuits against Watson with allegations ranging from harassment and inappropriate behavior to sexual assault during massage sessions. It doesn't have to be unanimous The grand jury process does not require a unanimous vote. Hardin told ESPN on Tuesday that if nine of the 12 grand jurors return a "true bill" under Texas law, Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg could choose to proceed with a criminal case against Watson. The potential charges and their punishments The range of potential criminal charges Watson faces include indecent assault, assault and harassment -- all misdemeanor offenses. Indecent assault is classified as a Class A misdemeanor, which is punishable by up to a year in jail and up to a $4,000 fine. Watson could also be charged with sexual assault, a second-degree felony in Texas which is punishable by two-to-20 years in prison. Further info about the lawsuits While these grand jury proceedings are unrelated to the outcome of the civil cases, NFL teams interested in trading for Watson, who didn't play last season but was on the active roster, should have more clarity in the next week on whether he will face criminal charges and how that might affect his NFL future. However, unless Watson and the 22 plaintiffs settle the civil lawsuits, a pretrial conference related to those lawsuits is scheduled for early May, according to court documents. Potential NFL discipline If there is a conclusion to the criminal investigation (i.e., he is not charged), that could begin the process of NFL discipline. Hardin had previously told ESPN he didn’t expect Watson to talk to the league investigators until the criminal investigation had ended. If Watson is charged, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell could also choose to put the quarterback on the commissioner’s exempt list, something he did not do last year. Watson was a healthy scratch for all 17 games while collecting a $10.5 million base salary. Under oath Watson will also face questions under oath for the first time in at least some of the civil cases on Friday. Hardin told ESPN he’ll instruct Watson to assert his Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate himself during his testimony on Friday in the civil cases because the criminal investigation has not concluded.
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Unfortunately, I think David Tepper might be one of those people
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"Bottom of the class": Bruce Feldman talks Combine quarterbacks
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I was struck by that too. It is true that NFL systems are going to be much more complicated. -
Whole lot of Deshaun Watson chatter happening out there
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There is no way in hell I'm letting a player, any player, pick the next head coach. That'd be just as bad as letting Marty Hurney do it, arguably worse. -
College football analyst Bruce Feldman asked several NFL personnel people about what they saw at The Combine. Their answers can be found in this article from The Athletic. A lot of topics are covered, but I've snipped the portion that's likely of most interest here, that being what was said about the quarterbacks. Excerpts below: Bottom of the class: Quarterbacks, quarterbacks, quarterbacks This is a really underwhelming crop of quarterbacks, and their performances didn’t get NFL personnel any more optimistic about them. “There was nobody where I found myself saying, ‘Oh, wow,’ while watching,” said one NFL assistant who works with QBs. Pitt’s Kenny Pickett is seen by several personnel men The Athletic spoke with as the top prospect. Some will knock Pickett for only having only 8 1/2-inch hands, but the coaches I talked to didn’t think that was enough reason to bump him from the top spot of this group. Joe Burrow has smaller hands (nine inches) too. Kenny Pickett Pickett ran a 4.73 40, which was faster than most expected. “He’s plenty big enough. His interview was good — I think he’s a second-round guy who will end up getting picked in the first round because there are no other first-round guys this year,” said one NFL assistant. “His arm is strong enough, but it’s not special. I think good, not great.” Desmond Ridder Cincinnati’s Desmond Ridder is an interesting evaluation. He ran very well (4.52 40) and tested great (4.29 shuttle; 36-inch vert; 10-7 broad jump) and has big hands (10 inches). “He also comes across as a super mature guy,” said an NFL assistant. “But what Sam Howell is really good at is what Desmond Ridder is missing from his game. Howell sees the field really well, (and) can throw with touch and get through his progressions. With Ridder, I didn’t see him get through his progressions well from the pocket. I don’t think he sees it very well. And I know he ran a fast 40, but you don’t see that kind of speed on film. Watch the Tulsa game. He’s getting caught by those defensive ends. He didn’t play very fast, unless he was playing through an injury. I don’t think he’s naturally accurate. You see guys that are wide open and he airmails it or he puts so much on it where the safety can get to it.” Sam Howell Howell, the former North Carolina star, also had a lackluster showing. “He was spotty,” said the NFL QB coach. “He didn’t throw it great, and he was in the ‘not as good’ group (of QBs). He seems maxed out. People like to compare him to Baker (Mayfield), but he doesn’t have Baker’s arm. Baker was super accurate; Sam’s pretty good, but I’m not sure. That offense he played in was so RPO-heavy. I look at him and Pickett and I wonder, how much better can they get?” Malik Willis Liberty’s Malik Willis is, to use a term some scouts like, “toolsy.” He has an incredibly powerful arm to go with the wheels of a running back. “He’s not quite as fast as Lamar (Jackson), but I think he plays like a high 4.4 guy and he can make people miss,” said one veteran NFL assistant. “I feel like he’s still really, really raw, and he turned it over a lot against not great competition where he was almost always the best athlete on the field. That’s not gonna be the case in our league. There will be a bunch of linebackers who can run with him and some D-linemen who can too.” Another NFL assistant is also skeptical of Willis’ passing ability. “He has a big arm,” said the coach. “He can generate serious horsepower, and his accuracy is good when it’s the first read. It’s best when he can throw it on a line. When he needs to have touch, that’s when it is a little more scattershot. You don’t get many plays in the NFL that are ‘1-2-3 throw.’ Instead, you have to react and change and then throw. Mac Jones was deadly on that secondary (read) accuracy. That’s my biggest concern with Malik.” Matt Corral Ole Miss’ Matt Corral, who is coming off of an ankle injury suffered in the Rebels’ bowl game, didn’t work out. He’s another wild-card prospect. “He was alright in the interview,” said an NFL assistant. “He knew his offense, but there are still some concerns about his maturity. He’s had a bumpy path and has come out on the other side. He and Lane (Kiffin) get along famously, but you do wonder, what are you getting into with him? He’s gonna be expected to be the leader of a bunch of men with families. “He has a really quick release and has some ‘wow’ throws on tape, but he plays with so much risk. He has such a short memory — which can be good — but you see him throwing picks and think, can you reel it in just a little to get out of here with a win? He’s a much better runner than I expected. He’s tough. He held up against some big hits, but those hits in the NFL are gonna be a lot worse.” Carson Strong Nevada QB Carson Strong, who came to the combine with some medical concerns about his knee, didn’t seem to help himself in his meetings with teams. “He came across as immature,” said one coach. “He had no idea on protections and didn’t know his offense very well.” And one final note... The QBs who impressed the most in their interviews in terms of football knowledge and recall were Pickett, Howell and Southeastern Louisiana’s Cole Kelley, the 6-foot-7, 249-pound Arkansas transfer.
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Tepper hired a private investigator to look into Deshaun Watson
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It's been reported in numerous stories, several of which have been linked to this board, that they won't. Could they change their minds? I suppose, but at no point have they shown any inclination to do so. Neither have they shown any willingness to lower their demands. And a quick hint: You could try actually reading some of the stories that get linked here. But if that's too much trouble, don't complain when somebody tells you what's in them. -
It probably won't surprise you to learn that it's not in our favor.
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There is this...
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Massive?
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Have fun in the AFC West, Russ
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I'm gonna need some popcorn
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Tepper hired a private investigator to look into Deshaun Watson
Mr. Scot replied to Zod's topic in Carolina Panthers
Actually I'd say the worst thing you can be is a team that just gave up a ridiculous haul of draft picks and players for a quarterback who's then found guilty of a crime or suspended or some such. Then not only do you still not have a high quality quarterback, but you're also out what you traded for him. (and no, the Texans will not accept conditional picks; even if they did, what if something happens after the picks you traded have already been used?) -
For a 2022 2nd and a 2023 6th... That's a lot less than the Bears traded to get him.
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Some people think they're not really sold on him. I think they are, but that's just me.
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Tepper hired a private investigator to look into Deshaun Watson
Mr. Scot replied to Zod's topic in Carolina Panthers
This has been covered before. More specifically, the Texans are said to want a total of five to seven assets, including three first rounders, plus two second rounders or high level players. These are not rumors. This is what the Texans have been telling teams that asked about him. -
Former NFL GM Mike tanenbaum of The 33rd Team says there aren't enough good quarterbacks to go around. For added reference... Bucs, Saints and 49ers would need to make some room.
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Kelly started going downhill when he got roster control. Rhule had that from day one. Maybe that makes us ahead of the curve
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