Mr. Scot

That seems to be a thing these days...

Navarro was the guy a lot of people wanted, me included. I did have a concern though. Specifically, that he seemed too friendly with the Richardson family (Jerry;s son Mark actually endorsed him). It made me worry that he might listen to Jerry regarding team direction and such, like keeping Marty Hurney around as GM for example. But then of course Tepper did that anyway

And a lot of it

This one line... "He expects football guys to be 100% right, like they are evaluating a balance sheet, and sometimes they are flat-out wrong," the source said. ...chills my soul. Dear Lord, I hope he's gotten that idea out of his head by now

The NFL was never gonna allow anybody but David Tepper to buy the Panthers.

Guess they took the Panthers seriously when they said they weren't trading Burns. (which was smart because...they're not)

I see the hip twist you're talking about. Makes it look easy... (been trying to coach my grandson to use more hip motion to help his soccer kicks) Pretty good sales job. I'm intrigued.

Thought the same thing myself

Meanwhile... As in, they personally don't want him?

To be fair, didn't people say pretty much the same thing about Fields?

I haven't studied him much yet. What is it you like about him?

Hate that for Elflein but yeah, Bozeman is better.

And look at what he did when we drafted one. In college, you get a guy you recruited as a freshman, he practices for a couple of years then starts as a junior or senior (sophomore if he's special). Heck, you can even red shirt him if you want to. That seemed to be how Rhule viewed Corral, but obviously things are very different in the NFL. Mind you, Rhule being in "save me ass" mode certainly didn't help matters.

Where do you have any evidence that he never disagreed with Rhule? There's actually a fair amount of indication that he did, especially when it came to the best way to get a good quarterback. Fitterer was very clearly in favor of drafting and developing. You're basically got a preconceived notion that you won't let any evidence talk you out of.

That's pretty much how the article portrays it (Bridgewater too).

What's his alternative? Start a massive internal fight and most likely lose his job? Does that really strike you as a desirable outcome? Now Rhule's gone and Fitterer's got the power of an actual GM, so it seems pretty clear that the way he played it was much smarter.

Look a few posts above...

Full context: The faction of the organization that was against drafting Herbert received what might have seemed like vindication in Week 3 of the 2020 season, when Bridgewater and the Panthers defeated Herbert and the Chargers in Los Angeles -- Rhule's first NFL win. But behind the scenes, a few of the scouts that had pushed for Herbert squirmed as they watched the 22-year-old throw for 330 yards, showing the poise and command of an offense they believed could have stabilized the position for a decade or more. Even as Carolina celebrated the win, one scout remembers texting another: "Man, we were right." I could see that. The subject of the paragraph is the faction that was against him but the final sentences definitely sound like they could be about the pro Herbert group. Either way, I still love to know who the "faction" members were, but either way I suspect they're not here anymore.

I can buy that. The idea that he'd have been better off being drafted and coached by Matt Rhule, or the notion that it somehow would have made Rhule a better coach? Not so much.

One other quote from the article indicates that one or two members of the "anti-Herbert faction" were in the scouting department. Even as Carolina celebrated the win, one scout remembers texting another: "Man, we were right." There's actually been a fair amount of turnover in the scouting department since that time and following the hire of Scott Fitterer. A few departed with Ron Rivera and others have just been let go or replaced. Also it's previously been reported that Fitterer was given a blank check by Tepper to reshape the personnel department as he wished. So basically, there's a pretty decent chance that whoever said that doesn't work here anymore.

Yeah sorry, can't see that at all. Having Fields was not going to somehow make Rhule a better coach. He was always a disaster. Also from 4MR...

Well, there's this...

Sounds like a "say something bombastic for a reaction guy". Basically a dumbsh-t...