Khyber53

He doesn't hurt the team at all and adds another veteran presence in the WR room. We needed another guy to help Thielen bring up our next generation of receivers. Hope to see him really have an outstanding year.

Also, he was long and lean, but strength and mass were lacking. Tough to play him at edge like that. He was a tweener betwixt edge and OLB. Just wasn't the right fit for a team in transition, or for a team trying to transition to fit him. Grab draft picks that fit who your team is.

I never understand what the Teppers do, except I understand that it hasn't been working out so far. So, maybe a change is necessary. Here's the deal. I'm saying that if Warren is there at 8, we will take him. Your side of the argument wins if ANYONE else is taken there and Warren is still available. It's a wash if Warren is already gone. Simple. Let's see how it shakes out.

We expected about four or five more per season than we got. Like I said, he was decent but not great like we had hoped.

In all honesty, we needed a replacement for Burns when we drafted Burns. His best move was the Spider-man pose that everyone loved. And beyond that, he proved to be a modestly accomplished edge rusher, modestly. And he couldn't play the run to save his life. Sorry, had to throw that in. Loved the guy, but he just never hit the potential we hoped for. Edit to add: And we changed from a 4-3 to a 3-4 to accommodate him.

Sad, but true. Still, I hold out hope that we can be champs rather than chumps. We've been left holding the bag since 2019 now. It's time to find someone else to talk into taking it.

Considering how bad we've been, for so long now, maybe breaking the cycle is a good thing.

It's inflation, man. And yeah, it might not have looked like it at the time, but maybe by next season the Horn contract will look rather pedestrian.

Okay, let's watch and see.

It'll be Warren. BPA and a position of need at the same time.

Well, that didn't take long. About like I'd said elsewhere, 3 years, $30 million apiece. And I really don't even know this guy, he wasn't on my radar. https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-derek-stingley-jr-three-year-90-million-deal-highest-paid-db

And yet, I bet someone will beat it this season. It's just the nature of the beast, especially with that contract coming so early in the off-season, and everything yet to go. Some really good CB out there will want a re-work of his deal to make him the highest paid and point to Horn's contract. Heck, by this time next year, we may see him on the list at 5 or 6 for best paid for position and think we've got a bargain. Or we'll be saying Morgan was gonna Hurney all along.

I've seen it go both ways. And that observation doesn't help a bit at this point, does it?

I thought that last year when we invested so heavily in guards. I was wrong because they sure made a difference. Hubbard and Brown seem to be worth the money or possibly even bargains. And Horn, that was a lot of money there, but it probably is just resetting the marketplace and he'll be down the list in the next few weeks. Still, I'm wondering about the balance between the impact he made last season and his availability through his career. It's a roll of the dice and I'm not sure how much is guaranteed.

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