Khyber53

Sure, let's just keep trading away our future picks and salary space for QBs who are going to fail here. A dog will go back and lick up its own barf if you don't stop it. So it is here with Rhule and Co. They just keep getting pricier ones with even less potential.

Take Linderbaum at 6th. Don't get all tricky and trade back, you'll miss out on him. Teams are struggling to get offensive linemen of ability and this year everyone is going shopping for them. Grab Linderbaum at 6 and start building. He has the brains and experience to do the job and a pro-team weight room will take care of the rest. There's usually only one really good center in each draft. We've passed on them too many times. We need to grab the guy and not look back.

This 1000%. How do you really evaluate this situation? How do you set contracts for the next coach beyond 2022?

I'd have rather had him here as HC than Rhule. I actually think Flores was bringing the Dolphins along quite well.

Why let Rhule trade away a WR that can lead the league if he just has a QB and a coach? Just pray that the jackass Rhule doesn't get trade happy before the season or we'll be hamstrung for the next half decade.

In the end, the NFL really doesn't care if an owner can competently build a winning team. They care about can the team continue to bring in money and not bankrupt itself in the process. Winning doesn't even figure in as organizations like the Lions have shown for decades and the Bengals until this year. They want butts in seats (whether in the stadium or at home on couches in front of the TV), they want jersey and other merch sales, they want the broadcast revenue to roll in and no stoppages in the seasons. It's just business. So, honestly, if you end up with Tepper being terrible at this, there's nothing you can do short of somehow create a scandal. And as we are seeing with Snyder in Washington, a scandal won't even force a sale if the owner doesn't want to go.

And that is the $140 million question...

Um, the cupboard is kind of bare here when it comes to draft picks to trade away, thanks to our coaching and managerial brilliance. We got Sam Darnold for our work. That leaves trading away our handful of good players, potentially to trade for bums again. How about we wait this season out and see Rhule to the door before we get all fancy in our efforts?

I'm betting either Rodgers or Wilson will end up there, if either actually keep doing the "release me" deals again. Both could drop in, play a couple of years and bow out for the next generation with plenty of money and legacies intact. Arians could also make a push for Watson, which I'd rather see than us do so. Then there's apparently Murray, but he's going to need to prove he isn't another AB in the making. Talk about imploding, whew.

We also had some incredible role players who made the difference and punched above their weight classes. That was an amazing year, too. And we can't downplay the importance of Jake Delhomme, once again.

Henning's biggest asset, and something none of our other OCs have had, was the ability to get punched in the mouth, get back up and come back swinging differently. He could and would change the entire game plan based on what was happening on the field. Doing that takes a certain mentality to accomplish and it is why that 2003 season produced the Cardiac Cats and comeback after comeback. He was self aware more than self reverent. His successors have been too tied to their own brilliances to make changes in game, and some of them refused to change even over the course of a season -- something other teams feasted on time and time again. They told everyone to trust the process, they knew what they were doing. We need a Dan Henning-type again.

On that d-line we also had Al Wallace, Jordan Carstens and Kemp Rasmussen. As rotational players they were excellent, also, pound for pound, some of the physically strongest players we ever fielded. Whoever was running the strength and conditioning program back then was phenomenal (and potentially assisted by an ethically challenged physician and pharmacy back then, but let's not go there).

I'd feel good getting a fifth, sixth or even seventh for him if they'll take the whole contract, too. Honestly, I'd trade him for a case of out of date Gatorade and a box of towels for the locker room.

Just prepping for McAdoo to take over HC position after the bye week. Edit: I mean Interim HC position.

I'd rather not see us trade away excellent players while Rhule is still in control. They may be necessary when we get back to playing real football again. We do have some dead wood that can be traded away or jettisoned. How about we see what we can get for Robby Anderson? Maybe our PR department can put together a sizzle reel of his highlights and shop his Sideshow Bob a$$ around a bit. We could get lucky and grab a fourth or something for him. Let's stick with the draft picks we've got, keep the core players we have and just try to survive the last season of Matt Rhule. There's better football down the road, let's try to have something left in the cupboard for the next coach.

Let's hope they do neither. The fewer picks that Rhule has, the better it will be for the organization. Hopefully he can somehow nail the first rounder and then just fiddle about with the rest of the picks like he did last time. Let's just get this last season of Rhule over with quickly and with as little long term damage as possible.

100% truth right there. The difference between losing franchises and winning franchises. It is that straightforward.

Some people will always invest in things they don't understand because they think that if someone else understands it, then they will be okay. Sadly, it doesn't work that way in the real world.

Grab him since he will be there. Take the pick and don't worry about what anyone else says, just get that line in place, young and able. If the new coordinators and coaches can do their thing with them, Rhule might be able to save his own job. If he goes QB first, then it's over for him before week six.

Hunker down, hold on and DO NOT buy Crypto no matter what. Crypto is about to go dotcom bubble burst and they are advertising like crazy to sell off their "supply". Right now, it is a sucker's play. Tomorrow it will be worthless. Seriously, on stocks, hold what you've got. In a downturn you don't lose money unless you sell (unless you bought some risky meme stocks).

I don't trust our ability to evaluate free agents. I know, I know, Marty Hurney influence and all, but there was a whole staff involved in finding these protective washouts and there hasn't been a complete turnover in that department. Still not sure how good they are at evaluating linemen in the draft, but once they played their guys this past season, both were an upgrade over the veteran pick-ups they replaced. Build the line. Get Tyler Linderbaum in the first, don't get all tricksy and trade back just snag him, and set the center of the line for the next decade. He's going to get bigger, but you won't find a better skillset and ceiling out there in free agency. Grab another back up guard in the draft and keep Elflein as a starting guard and mentor for Linderbaum this season. Snag a QB late in the draft with the idea of setting up your future back-up, but understand that he will most likely get some field time before the end of the year. We might strike gold, but if not, we're ready for the next season's pick up of a potential franchise QB. I mean, since we have tied ourselves to the mast of the sinking Rhule ship.

Stafford would have been in the hospital by week six.

The no state income tax thing with Florida makes the Bucs a very interesting option for big name QBs looking to work out one last three year contract for their best money ever. Puts more bucks into their pockets. That is a HUUUUUGE selling point. Arians, building a team that was just a QB away with a steady offensive line and good receivers just seals the deal. They will get one of the big names looking for a victory lap.

I stand corrected. Once we get down to the fourth round, it's really BPA anyway, isn't it. Still, grab a QB, give him a shot. We're going to need a back-up QB anyway.

Let's see who is available in the third round, maybe even the fourth. Fix the line, pick up a QB late and give him a shot. He's not got any competition from our bench and we have nothing to lose from it. Hell, we dropped a draft pick on a long snapper we won't even be using last year!