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We seem to have stripped down our biggest need positions, so I have to assume SOMETHING is being worked. If not.....I guess maybe we just aren't seeing the plan.

While I see the potential for Brown and Chinn to be superstars, I am not even going to say that is a sure thing yet. I believe it has a high probability. I agree on the optimism, as well. I just don't agree with some of these proclamations of greatness and "best in the NFL" without the actual playing time to bear that out. As Panthers fans, you would think that we should understand about managing expectations.

3500 yards passing 23 TD's 13 INT 63% Completion percentage Based on a 14 game schedule. Misses three games with injury.

I think the fans are getting a little carried away with our drafting "success." There is a lot to be excited about but you are also talking about two draft classes that have played a combined 16 game schedule. We probably need to slow our roll on that level of hype. That's a hindsight observation, not a foresight observation.

Yep. We got sold a long rebuild and it is likely to be that. Still a long way to go.

You sure about that now?

Smitty would show his ass as much or more than Cam and his intent was rarely to have fun, it was basically a "fug you" to the opponent. I say that as a guy that considers Smitty to be thr best Panther of all time.

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That is a description that could be applied to many head coaches, successful and not. Being a great offensive or defensive mind does not always translate into success as an NFL head coach.

This is also something that hasn't happened. We don't know if we have mightily increased the bottom of the roster talent....yet. This is all theory. We are talking about "better overall career" at the point where one guy has never coached an NFL game and the other has coached 16. That's why I am personally leaning on history rather than what I may think of the coaches themselves. Seems like a safer bet to make a waaaaaaaaaay too early prediction.

No, he never had the kind of success those guys did. Predominantly because he wasn't a coach very long, even in college and went from one program to the next. Remember, his college winning percentage was only 0.522. That's because he built and then bolted. It could easily be argued that is a more valuable trait than going to a college power and succeeding but not all those coaches who came in had a stacked deck at every place they were successful in college. IMO, college success isn't a great predictor of NFL success(to be clear: I have NOT vetted this statement statistically) because the reasons for success in college football don't translate to the NFL. Same sport, but vast differences. It's like comparing NASCAR success to NHRA success. Both racing but completely different kinds.

This was literally the point you stopped reading the post and reacted.

Dead cap is already spent. Mostly tied to bonuses/guarantees that have long been spent but the NFL's rules allow to be spread out over the course of a few seasons for accounting/flexibility purposes. It's money that cannot be spent in that given year.

We still have Burns coming up too. The more money we can keep rolling over the better. Especially with what looks to be a solid, young core.

Yeah but the ORGANIZATION is aware that we aren't a Super Bowl team this season. The coaches and players have to believe they can. Otherwise it's over before it started.

Almost every college head coach gets this thrown at them. The Baylor/Temple thing doesn't bother me. It only lasts so long anyway because the pool of guys they know(pre-NFL) grows smaller and smaller as the years pass.

Seems like the trend is actually void years and not front loading.

I don't think any blanket statement applies to what we are doing. It's not like Rivera where he seemed to have some very inflexible rules and principles. I think Rhule and Co. seem to have a general framework for what they want to achieve but with some case by case flexibility built in to achieve it. But....we also don't have the track record and information to discern trends on this coaching staff yet.

Hard to be better prepared for life in the NFL than having a very successful family member that has already played. You get the information about how to conduct yourself and the behind the scenes aspects of being a professional that you can't get from just about anywhere else. Worth it's weight in gold alone.

But he got better in his second stint and was extremely successful in his third stint. The great Bill Belichick was considered a failure in his first NFL head coaching stint. If you go back to my initial response, that's basically why I said we probably won't know until either they have a few more cracks at it. If that even happens for either of them. It might not feel great to us as Panthers fans, but if Matt Rhule ends up being a successful NFL Head Coach, it very well may not be with the Carolina Panthers. It would hurt but it wouldn't be rare.

Well, the data should show something. Whether it is very conclusive will be interesting. It might not be even something that is statistically significant.

Most head coaches are largely managers or figureheads to an extent, college or NFL. I agree that Rhule's ability to build success at multiple stops is impressive but Nick Saban had/has that track record as well, as does Urban Meyer. Also at programs that weren't powers and powers. I can break this down to fine statistics about which situation or background has had the most success and in what scenario but at the end of the day, it's about the person and about the situation more than anything else. For the Jets and Panthers, the situations are obviously very bad. Which is better or worse is likely to be a hindsight discussion because we rarely get to see behind the curtain completely to even know what all the circumstances in the organization are that could potentially torpedo something g promising. Same with the people. We know the backgrounds of both of these successful coaches in their previous stops....that weren't as NFL head coaches. We don't know if they will be able to thrive in their first stop as NFL head coaches or not. Maybe in about 3 years and we should have a fairly good idea.