kungfoodude

Reports said Teddy was our QB of the future and Jimmy Clausen was the steal of the draft. Consider the sources of those reports. All I can say is, if you didn't see what Taysom The Golden Calf of Bristol was last year when he started, you just aren't going to be able to see it at all.

Lol. Keep thinking that. See how that works out. I will make this bet, Taysom The Golden Calf of Bristol will never start another game in the NFL outside a Saints uniform.

And much more fun. That is the advantage of a gunslinger. That is why PJ Walker was more fun to watch.

It says much more about Payton than Winston, IMO.

TBD.

Just the idea of this statement is completely laughable. Hill is not even an NFL caliber QB. He is a poor man's The Golden Calf of Bristol.

I kind of agree. But.....Payton has done some pretty irrational things for Hill so far. I genuinely hope he thinks Hill is the guy. I would live to see him tank the Saints for a couple of seasons because of pure hubris.

Agreed. I'd either tank hard than me mediocre to kind of bad. If this QB doesn't pan out, the desperation is going to start sinking in the coaching staff, I think. Having a third starting QB in three seasons is about the worst thing imaginable for a new coaching staff.

Agreed. I am not sure it would be regretting moving on from Teddy as much as moving to Darnold that they would regret. The writing was on the wall with Teddy. Even if we go 0-17 with Darnold, would 5-7 wins with Teddy be better?

I don't think the hope in Darnold is nearly as overrated/overblown as our hope in the offensive line. As bad as Darnold is/was, the sum of the current Panthers OL is probably a lot less.

I believe you mean, "Let's see if he can stay healthy."

Yeah, there is no reason to go nuts until we have more of our core secured.

There has to be some mutual interest for either of them, IMO. I doubt Rodgers is going to play anywhere other than Green Bay or a Cali based team. If he was traded somewhere else, he'd likely just retire. Wilson has mild ties to the area but his wife is unlikely to want to stray too far from the West Coast given her industry. Also, I don't think Wilson is very serious about wanting to leave Seattle. I suspect that is very much more a case of him voicing some general frustrations rather than him trying to force a trade. While we have turned over a new leaf as a franchise, I don't think you will see us be much of a prime location for many big free agents or NFL stars until we show some stability and success. It's a process to get there and we are very much in the infancy of it.

Rodgers and Wilson are looking for wins or locations. I don't see us on their potential location list nor on their list for ready to win now teams. Watson is a possibility but probably a rather slim one at this point. Just depends on how serious it gets for him. I think legally he comes out fairly clean because he has access to the rich people justice system but the court of public opinion isn't so kind.

I am going to start judging regular people in real life on their sack production.

He is just staying on his message for whatever reason.

Seems unlikely we would be able to land him, even if he were available.

Hence everyone's continued frustration with our inability to put together a decent OL during most of his career. Imagine having this weapon with huge gaps being blown in the defense by our OL? The sad thing is, we aren't that far away from having a dominant offense.

Well he was an "ordinary" guy that had over 1000 yards of offense and 8 TD's for us. Like I said, if we keep running the wheels off of CMC, the bill is eventually going to have to be paid(if it isn't already). We have too many weapons on this offense to be running the entire thing through a non-QB. That is going to have to change eventually.

I mean, we had a very effective guy in Mike Davis that we let sit when CMC played. That is ultimately my problem with the CMC situation. You invested this crazy amount of money in him but work him at an insane rate. We need him to last the entire length of his contract.

His usage rate in the three games last year was basically at Rivera levels. That is what is concerning. I get it, he is a fantastic weapon and he is the highest paid player at his position. But....if we don't control his usage better, it will eventually come back to bite us, if it already hasn't.

For the most part I typically lean towards the bulk of the end result of a player's career being weighted towards the player and not the coaching. I don't say that to diminish the importance of coaching, after all there is always more to learn and ways to improve. By that same token, most of the players in the NFL have gone through years of playing, being coached, film study, etc. I think that is why you have guys like Grier that don't succeed. They just don't have what it takes to be NFL players for whatever reason. You always want the best possible coaches but sometimes you can't get anything more from a player simply because they don't have what you are trying to get out of them. Some players have it, others don't. I am not going to get too excited about Sam until around midseason unless he is just clearly fuging elite level or horrifically bad. Same way I felt about Teddy last year when people were jumping for joy after the first few games and pointing to his elite completion percentage. So, even if Sam lights up the Jets or lays a fuging egg I am not going to get caught up in all the hoopla. I realize that will differ from roughly 95% of the Huddle but eventually you watch enough football, especially Panthers football, to try to temper your reactions until there is at least a worthwhile amount of data to discern something significant. As others have stated in various threads, the real nightmare scenario is probably a yo-yo edition of Sam Darnold, where he is just generally all over the map during the course of the season. At that point, you have to somehow figure out if the highs are high enough to still be excited about potential with the lows factored in. That's a tough one because we might end up suffering through two seasons of trying to figure it out. Frankly, I'd rather he just show up being regular Darnold bad and just move on after a year than have to deal with two seasons of "figuring it out." Strange as it may sound, really bad Darnold and really good Darnold are equally easy situations to deal with. At least you know what the path forward is once you know that.

Yeah but then why can't we get more out of PJ Walker or Will Grier? You can't coach everyone up, for a WIDE variety of different reasons. That's the thing, we don't KNOW that he is going to improve with any of the things we are doing that might be better than the Jets. I think it's gonna be pretty evident by about midseason what we have in Darnold. It's either gonna be really good or really bad.

I think he can improve but I suspect we will start seeing bad habits when the pressure gets to him in 2021. That isn't so simple to train out in a short period of time. Sometimes it just never happens for whatever reason or combination of reasons. We also have to appreciate that he really doesn't have much experience actually playing quarterback.

I think it is possible for the last couple of games that he was out when he "could" have played, that really doesn't seem like a logical leap. I seem to recall he may have mentioned wanting to play in the last game or two. Not 100% sure I remember that correctly.