kungfoodude

Yeah but I don't actually think the owners really want parity either.

I think the cap trickery is more common now than when Hurney was handing out monster contracts. This is a relatively new thing to see on such a wide scale. Especially the void years. I think Richardson wanted a winning team and he was close a few times. I think he just never got the right FO people to achieve that vision. As for Tepper.....TBD. I like to think he wants to build a winner but his actions have gone almost entirely counter to winning. I don't know what to think of Fitterer. I would like to see him actually have real stroke versus being subject to whatever idiot idea Rhule has. I think once we fire Rhule that we might have a clearer idea about Fitterer.

TBD. I disagree.

I think we are teetering on the edge of two cliffs with the roster. On the one side is that these drafts don't pan out and the roster is much worse than expected. On the other side is that these drafts do pan out and we have a good, solid young core to build around for the next 4-10 years. We just gotta see which way it tilts.

Neither the players nor owners would want this situation. That's the problem with this solution.

He also had a lot lower workload last season than normal(second fewest punts in his career). We will see. I still think he has tons left in the tank(only 32) and can get us back to being an elite punting unit. If the OL gels, it can have a bigger impact(although the impact may be muted depending on QB play). I just don't personally believe Bozeman and Corbett are going to be much more than average players. TBD. I'm fine being wrong if they do pan out. Ideally we are both wrong and Hekker, Bozeman and Corbett all ball out. My money is personally on Hekker having a much bigger impact on our punting unit than Bozeman/Corbett on the OL.

Well consider how much our punting struggled last year(28th in the NFL) it may have a big impact if our offense struggles similarly to how it did in 2021. Won't argue that OL is the position of the most need but I would argue that Bozeman and Corbett will have a bigger impact on the OL group than Hekker will on our punting unit. I doubt those will even be comparable.

I mean, I would think compiling the worst winning percentage in franchise history through three seasons SHOULD be a fireable offense but then again this is the same dude that said Marty Hurney was a great evaluator. I backpedaled because I was really interjecting what I want to happen rather than what I believe will happen. For the unsuccessful stints portion, you need to go back and re-read what I said.

poo, they do it on TV as much or more. Especially in the sports or political realm.

Come on, man. You cannot be serious. Hekker is a great land but the rest are mid-level or backup level players. If you consider that "talent" I don't know what to say. As for the coaches, it's largely guys that are castoffs after unsuccessful last stints(outside Wilks). You are welcome to see what you want to see but if that makes you think we are an attractive free agent destination.....ooh wee mayne. I guess last offseason was unbelievable and the season before was unfathomable. I wouldn't make that bet because I also think Tepper is a complete moron. He might keep Rhule if he wins 2 games in 2022. So, in reality, I don't actually think Rhule will get fired if he only wins 7 games. I HOPE he would get fired but since he didn't get fired after two straight 5 win seasons, I can't bank on anything intelligent being done on the head coaching front. Especially when you consider he didn't immediately fire Marty Hurney.

We didn't have a problem spending money, look at the cap hell Hurney created. We just had a problem being smart with it. I have yet to determine if Tepper is willing to spend it. The smoke around all the QB's we have pursued certainly seems to indicate that he is.

Disagree. Perhaps one or both will pan out but neither will be top 5 at their position. Hekker is top 5 at his position.

Roberts is a "show me" signing. It's been so long since we had an effective KR that I am just gonna have to see it happen first. Zane was promising so I hope he can keep that up. I would like to have another long term kicker instead of the perpetual search for one. I think Hekker immediately makes our punting unit top 10.

Name this talent. So your idea of progress is 7 wins? I am on record as seeing us in the 3-6 win range. So are we both now pessimists or optimists? You actually think Matt Rhule would survive a 7 win season? I don't.

And this is more relevant to our current situation where we have a head coach that is a GM. We have fuged up two straight seasons/offseasons with big pushes to "win now" when we didn't have the roster to do so. It's the classic example of why you want a GM that operates independently from the head coach. Doesn't mean they can commiserate on the future but the GM is really supposed to be managing that long term direction.

Yeah but you have to be smart enough to manipulate it. For a long time, we were not smart enough to do so.

You are aware we are in a stretch of four straight losing seasons with 7 different starting QB's, right? With two different head coaches, 4 different OC's(now five), 2 different GM's? And that one more losing season will set a franchise futility record? Here is what I will say, if you believe what you are saying, there should be zero excuse for not making the playoffs and having a winning record this year. Because what you are selling is that we had a great offseason by adding all the talent necessary and finally have the coaches to get it done. That's what you are telling me, right?

Yeah, I remember how visible he was initially. It's funny to think about that in hindsight.

We were spoiled for a long time by having very solid to very good kickers and punters. The fact that hasn't been the case for a couple of seasons is lost in the river of other poo that the franchise has been drowning in.

Easily the best offseason signing we had. Literally nothing close to his signing.

I mean, most people are rightfully salty because he is the worst QB we have had in a stretch of pretty bad QB's. We also traded a king's ransom of picks(relatively speaking) for a guy that wasn't even worth a 7th rounder. But, I was against the move from day one because he was so CLEARLY a terrible QB from his time in NY. I have never been able to fathom why people look at him and have hope. He is the classic example of a guy that simply cannot process anything he sees on the field. It isn't rare to see but it's normally guys you draft late that don't make a roster, not top 5 overall picks. Also, he is far from the most hated Panthers in history. We've had some real doozies in that category.

You are quite literally grasping at straws. Even during the season while the losses were piling up, it was easy to see that "top ranked defense" was anything but that. Couldn't stop the run, kept having points piled up on us. The bottom shelf offense didn't help but the defense eventually collapsed. The last 8 games of the year we averaged allowing almost 28 ppg. What part of that is elite? How about being tied for 28th in Takeaways? Is that elite? That was always the problem with our supposed "elite" defense, outside of yards allowed, almost no other defensive stat was elite. The closest was sacks and we were tied for 14th. Which, you said yourself you didn't watch the games so how would you even be able to know what we looked like? Watching the games was the clearest indicator of how that stat was ultimately meaningless.

INB4 Tepper hires Lincoln Riley for 8 years, $240 mil.

Yeah, it just goes with sports and losing. If your team is stinking it up, fans aren't gonna be happy.