kungfoodude

Sure, but you also can't win with one of the worst QB's in the NFL and a bottom third OL, either. Ask the Chiefs how OL problems worked out last season. Ultimately, we need the bulk of the problems fixed to be where we want to be as a franchise. IMO, QB and LT were bigger needs. Obviously Rhule felt differently. We will see how it all ultimately works out. I just hope he turns out to be right.

You tryin' to kill this guy?????

That is the one benefit of Darnold. He has been such a disaster as a QB in the NFL, that if he just stays the course, we probably end up with another top 8 pick. If he finally achieves the lofty potential that he was supposed to have, we don't have to worry about QB for a long time. I just don't see a "mediocre" scenario being nearly as likely. He's either going to be a huge disaster or a big success.

One thing that impressed me was Graham mentioning Russell Wilson when he described him. I know that the bulk of Panther fans have a huge amount of butthurt about Wilson but that guy has built a very solid reputation for being a high work ethic/high achieving player. Not sure he will reach that kind of lofty praise but that is certainly a hell of a comparison. The truth is, we aren't going to know what Fields or "Darnold 2.0" are until the games start getting played. In a few months, these comparisons will have ample data to support each position that isn't anecdotal.

I tend to believe that although Darnold was largely set up to fail by a bad coaching staff, most of his issues are between his ears. If he struggles/fails here, I think that will end up firming up my belief that is the case. If he is the ultra rare case of a bust to success story, I will firmly believe, as many seem to, that the Jets staff and situation was historically bad. I tend to agree with Varking that I would have probably still drafted Fields(or Slater) at 8. Either of those situations probably helps us as a franchise more than Horn. That is nothing against Horn at all, just more what I value over CB.

I think they seem to not very much value the OL. It's odd because this is the same thing we dealt with Rivera and Hurney. Actually, this goes back to Gettleman. We have made so many poor OL decisions in the past decade.

Good point. Our scrimmages against other teams will give us some additional reps.

I would think we will be seeing some pretty vanilla stuff in the preseason, so I am not sure his reps will be that deep into the new system. Hopefully he has that fairly down after a full offseason. As an NFL veteran, I would hope he can digest that a lot more quickly than a rookie.

This is actually a tough one. Darnold needs as many live reps as possible to hopefully build his confidence up. On the other hand, this will be the longest regular season in NFL history and Darnold has never successfully completed an NFL season in his career due to injury or illness. Not to mention, it's highly likely he is going to be taking a fuging shelling behind that OL we have assembled currently. I guess we may as well play him a lot in the preseason. If he gets injured behind that line, it was likely bound to happen anyway. At least if he goes down in the first half of the season we might have enough info to decide to move on or keep him. With PJ Walker and Will Grier backing him up, we can be in prime position to draft an actual franchise QB again.

L O L Make it in a real game, bruh.

Yo, if you don't like talk about glistening loins and ample chests, then you can get fuged.

It's the preseason. You have to lower your general expectations. Vanilla schemes and lots of backups playing.

I always liked Peyton. Genuinely funny dude. He didn't have much of a part in our 2015 loss other than physically showing up.

Didn't even go far enough to speculate on that. Just throwing out a theoretical scenario in which it would be acceptable to make that kind of trade. Unless you are getting a quality LT starter, zero reason to be trading away a first for a middling LT. Especially for a team that needs those draft picks as desperately as ours.

The team is not even close to good enough. The only circumstance in which we are trading a 1st for a left tackle should be one that is our starter for the foreseeable future. And, in that scenario, one first may not be enough to get it done.

I believe you mean "don't."

Even if Darnold looked like trash in the preseason, it doesn't mean that much. The only thing that matters is when the bullets are real, that is when we are going to find out what we have.

He had worked out a bunch of places that didn't sign him. Something clearly has to be up with him. Either a drastic loss of abilities or an undisclosed injury or something.

Okay. Still should be a fairly sizeable amount, I would assume.

Since it is an all included in a charity auction, I am not sure if that is the case or not.

With those bust players, people are always going to keep seeing potential, no matter what. Hell, we have a large chunk of people buying into a very obvious bust QB that we traded for based on that potential. So, I do understand how it can be enticing. This is a different scenario, however. Watson's abilities are completely unquestioned, it just boils down to whether he is going to be possible to sign for a while. If things go poorly, I would suspect we see a Mike Vick type situation, where he is out of the league for a bit and then eventually comes back "rehabilitated."

Me $0 but I also don't really need that $120k tax write off like that guy probably ultimately does.

Yeah, I would think that we should have all learned by now that trial by public opinion or certainly by media doesn't mean a lot. From a PR standpoint, perhaps so, which is a genuine issue that has to be considered in a league that has public perception to worry about. Even the resolution of a civil and/or criminal case is no guarantee that we actually would know any of the real facts. Just that the theatrics are completed and we have an ultimate result.