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This what I was about to say.. People are going to talk about the greatness of Mahomes and company, and rightly so, but that muffed punt was the biggest play of the game. It was in the 3rd quarter of a game that went into OT so no one is going to talk about it.

He's playing a tough D. Didn't Mahomes have a similar drought in the middle of this game?

Yeah I was thinking he was the assistant under Gettlemen. Not that he was necessarily bad either.

I was talking about Gettlemen. He was assistant under Gettlemen right? Have I mixed up something?

It would be interesting to see if anyone can think of examples of an assistant GM that worked under a bad GM, who when he eventually got a shot, did well. Brandon Beane is obviously the first that comes to mind, any others?

What kind of time management was that?

49ers keep stiffing up in the redzone.

I fully acknowledge that Bryce took plenty of sacks he shouldnt have, But there are times where you are hanging in the pocket waiting for a WR to come open. There are touchdowns every Sunday where the QB "hung tough" in the pocket and then a WR came open. If you go back and look at Jordan Love's touchdown to Doubs last week, the cowboys blitzed, Jordan hung as long in the pocket as long as he could and then delivered a dime. I dont think we want a QB throwing the ball away anytime he senses pressure, nor do we want a QB looking at the rush. Its a balancing act that Bryce has far from mastered. But it is a balancing act.

The OP is definitely wrong implying that the Oline sucked so bad that he got sacked 62 times. Some of those were on Bryce. But I think other posters have swung too far to the other side implying that because Bryce had more time in the pocket than we thought (2.5 or 2.9 sec) then the majority of the sacks were on him. A lot of those plays that Bryce had time, but still resulted in sacks, were coverage sacks. In other words, our receivers didn't get open or was taking too long to get open, and he got sacked. Heck it takes Thelin more than 2.5secs to get out of his break, and he's the best receiver we have. Not only that, but early on in the year when we had no running game, we were in plenty of third and long situations, we all know that when a defense gets you in third and long sacks become more frequent because A. They know you're passing B. The Receivers have to run longer routes to get past the sticks for a first down -- which of course means the QB has to hold the ball longer for the receivers to get past the sticks. Again some of those were still on Bryce though, because in a some of those situations he could have thrown the ball away. There's plenty of blame to go around for that high sack number. It's not on one person. Bryce - Oline - WR's - too many 3rd and longs, scheme etc.

When the guy you quoted mentioned Shanahan offense I assumed he meant all of the coaches that run the Shanahan offense like the team we are watching right now, the packers. So when you replied I figured you were talking about the same. My bad.

Sean McVay.

This is of course true generally. That doesn't mean that there aren't certain games that are won primarily because of coaching, or lost because of it. This stands out as one of those exceptions. I've counted at least 4 WIDE OPEN completions. Not NFL open. College, high school open. That's not because of the players. That's because Matt LaFluer knew exactly what Dan Quinn wanted to do and took advantage.

Jordan Love has been great, but this is a coaching victory. LaFluer, if he wasn't already, now definitely a top 5 coach in the league. The Shanahan Tree has some great coaches man. K. Shanahan M. McDaniel M. LaFluer. S. McVay. At this point I want B. Slovik over Ben Johnson. Who's apart of the same tree.

This is where I was the first half of the year, when he had nothing to work with at all and wasn't performing. Toward the later half of the year when the run game picked up, Bryce was still bad. At that point "disappointing" was understating it for me. That said, with league average help I think he can still be a league average QB. Not that that gets anyone excited.

Personally, I'm quick to say Bryce is bad. I'm not quick to say he's a Bust. There's a difference. One says, even with a better support, he'll still be trash - aka - a bust. The other says, with a better support, he can be average - game manager type. Not worth the #1 and move up, but not a bust. We'll see what he ends up being.