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true underdog mentality is that everyone else is wrong....and you actually have the ability to shut people up. Hard to embrace that, if you don't actually believe that. I don't view as underdogs presently. I view us as lacking the talent we need to compete. It's a QB driven league. And we mortgaged our future on a unique QB.....who we are just inserting into standard offenses he isn't going to fit.

the talent and scheme didn't match his style of play. but yeah, he was also a rookie that didn't make throws sometimes that were there. 2 things can be true.

disagree. going into last year....some said Frank's O and the talented we added around Bryce didn't fit very well. And that he would likely struggle as teams sat on our pass game with Bryce. And that was basically how the entire season unfolded. They didn't have the talent or scheme for Bryce to get the ball out quick....and the results were going to be bad for him without it. It's not his fault given we drafted him...but Bryce not fitting what we wanted to do offensively, killed the O. Mentioning that got you destroyed on the board last year. That's still the case IMO. Bryce Young is not the QB that you want running a Canales O. But again, that won't be Bryce's fault. This is all Tepper's creation and pairing of things.

I feel largely the same way I did entering last year. What we are attempting to be on O.....doesn't matchup with Bryce Young. Scheme nor talent. I think Canales would pair much better with a young Jake Delhomme. And Johnson and XL would be great additions for a young Jake Delhomme. It would be fun. Bryce is going to make this OL look worse. He is too small to be in a traditional pocket/scheme at this level. Bryce Young needs an innovative/Bryce Young centric O scheme to succeed with a bunch of quick YAC check down talent. That's not Canales.

I think you can not of wanted to pay Burns…and still acknowledge he was elite at one specific thing. Which we don’t have right now on the roster.

Yeah, once the actual games the power Cam run plays started . The designed run game. Cam had to be defended different than preseason which was trying to grow his pass game paired with a neutered rush threat

Got to think Cam being so unique to defend in real games was a heavy factor. League just had never dealt with what that O presented. They had seen Vick mimics that run away from people. Not dudes that could run over any of the 11 defenders. It took a year of film on Cam. That zone read struggled to open up year 2 once they adjusted on it

Ron actually did have sort of hidden O that didn’t really come out until the regular season. It was such a college heavy look. Basically what Frank pretended he had up his sleeve but didn’t . defenses were facing something unique when Cam rolled out into the league. With Bryce, it was just Frank standard junk with a QB that wasn’t able to challenge folks with the full field

Not looking big picture and just looking going into 2024 WR is an upgrade on paper. But they both are on the outside which is going to be the toughest part of the pass game for Bryce to get it done. I mean, I’m not sure a rookie TE in the 4th round replacing Hurst makes a TE room better on paper going into a season. I don’t think Brooks suits up to start off the year but when he does I think he gives it a slight upgrade in 2024. I mean, D is a push IMO. Probably comes down to what are opponents actually turn out to be. But reality is we lost Luvu and Burns.

Wasn’t Bryce praised as some vet type super player during all the camp work? Cam Newton struggled…until real football had to be played. Then smashed the record books out the gate. Ron couldn’t find the work to gift him the job over Clausen. Think a run vs the Bengals is what Ron used as the reasoning (I mean it was good). But Cam struggled until that week 1 game. You never know….

If it doesn’t work with Bryce….I just have one wish. Actually burn the thing to the ground. Quit keeping parts of a disaster to fix the last disaster.

We love boogeymen here too. It’s just Joe Brady!! It’s all him! Meanwhile Rhule was a cartoon clown. Then it was all Rhule. Fitterer is actually great! Matt was in complete control! Now it was all Frank.

Yeah, but that’s just standard talk. Same stuff said entering every year for every team. Like last year. Just echoing what Frank wants. Jim Caldwell won the Game of Thrones last year. He clearly rose in power during that poo show. How else does he help pick the hires this year. The offensive assistant also remains. I can accept keeping the entire D coaching staff intact but I have long said….something doesn’t smell right about Caldwell surviving all this. How exactly did he gain so much favor and survive. Same for the O assistant.

I mean, I normally jive with him but his logic here doesn’t actually make any sense. Bryce struggled last year because the HC, OC, Sr O advisor, Dalton, QB coach all were talking to him…..but that’s somehow not going to happen again? He is going to be hearing all those same folks talk. Maybe the old ones were the wrong voices but that’s not what he is arguing. Canales is the HC. A green one that has tons to learn. He isn’t going to be the lone voice for Bryce. He doesn’t t have that sort of time to devote to him

One of us!

Got to think it was top 10 run game all those years without looking.

Then got paired with Cam and that read zone once Dwill was gone. Got to think he would have logged 3 straight thousand yard seasons in that window but Cam was going to get his in that O

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I’d add pass pro to that. Hard to really keep a RB on the field consistently on 3rd down that can’t be relied on in pass pro

I still think there is a difference, which will interesting to see play out. Brady wasn’t a beloved GOAT. I mean most, not saying there weren’t anti-Tiger folks, but the majority were rooting for him. Same with a Jordan. I think most people rooted against Brady.

Plus there is also the positional difference. Bryce isn’t just small. Since the 1940s….it’s basically a discussion of who was smaller between Bryce and Floutie. Bryce is uniquely small. you can stay in 89s era and find small guys doing big things

You could replay that head catch 100 times and Eli wouldn’t even get the throw off for the lucky catch to of even had a chance. Big time athletes talk a lot about luck factoring. The Giants caught some luck when it mattered. But again, I was comparing their demeanors as players. Not the highlights of a team whose QB didn’t even have a winning record as a starter. Eli has the trophy case of a great QB. He wasn’t one.

I mean, being with the #1 overall pick and proving the doubters wrong I think are 2 separate things 1. Bryce will most likely never be worth the pick 2. Can he prove people wrong? Well, that’s not that tall of an order. He can be a middle tier starting QB I think does that. 11-16ish range. Like a healthy Alex Smith. I think he can in the right situation. Situation and fit is what most of the NFL boils down to

I compared their demeanors as QBs. Eli didn’t check the traditional box you look for there at the NFL. Where the QB is basically slotted in as the default leader of the team. Eli wasn’t really that guy. 100% wasn’t early on in his career. Eli got lucky in the postseason. That’s sports. But he was a .500 NFL QB with the Manning legacy aiding him. Hell, Cam and Jake had better win %s than Eli.

Except for O scheme that doesn’t fit him and a newb OC that has never been an OC and another first time QB coach. That’s all repeated. And going in he has a slot WR that can’t get open quick, meh TE play in 2024 most likely and a no proven NFL rec RB. he has a weapons in place for a downfield pass attack. Which isn’t his game. I still think he is set up to fail largely. Again