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Derrick Brown still made the Pro Bowl. Legit breakout years for non-sexy spots often show some lag w/ the national audience/perception. no one is talking about Jaycee Horn because he doesn't play. And when he has played, has never even had Bradberry type moments shutting down a Matt Ryan to Julio connection to even claim he is being overlooked by people. I just don't get it. Horn has been a bust. I don't care to hang on to him. And I don't fear the....but if we let him go and he stayed healthy mind trap. Play the odds, crazy injury prone guys from day 1.....generally don't go on to have iron man finishes. And I think Thomas Davis is a horrific comparable people like to make. He didn't come straight into the league and breakdown every season despite playing a more physical role.

probably a double edge sword for Theilen. This isn't' what he came here for. But a good O probably doesn't have much of a role for him. He isn't suite for the outside. And a good team isn't going to use him in the slot. He is too slow and limits the upside there. He could go to a good O and occupy a small O. Ricky Prohel like. Ricky delivered in big moments but he was never a big part of that Super Bowl O.

he has suited up for 43% of our games. So he misses nearly 6 out of every 10.

creating a huge hole? we would largely just be dealing w/ the same hole that has existed most of his 3 seasons.

Nope. No thank you. I ain't investing money into someone that makes Jeff Otah seem reliable. That's just a reality. Jaycee Horn is only a dawg in Pantherland. No one else talks about him for good reason. He doesn't play. 3 years in and he frankly has yet to even show his stuff vs a legit good QB/WR tandem because he never is on the field for it. I'm focused on Brown and Luvu if I am the Panthers. Building up a functional offense.

generally speaking, if someone says we need a dominant run game and are referencing he team we just had.....I consider that implying we should build and use our resources to build a stand alone dominant run game that can exist even with the garbage passing of last year existing. So to me, that would take big resources and commitment IMO to building a dominant attack and essentially a team from prior eras. Key is always going to be the QB and pass game for me. That's what makes it all work in today's NFL. Biggest problem with our run game last year, is the passing game was an utter joke. Bryce and the O made us one dimensional and easy to stop....and they helped neuter our rush attack. You got to fix the pass game to really fix the run game. Outside of maybe short yardage try and stop us scenarios.

I like how before the season started this was deemed a terrific spot. Better than Young's. ....and then after the season it was deemed a horrific spot for Bryce. I mean, never bought into that hype of the added talent BUT, to an extent, Bryce did have something to do with why it went so bad.....and CJ had a lot to do with why it went so well in Houston. I do think Andy Dalton showed a bit of a red flag. Gameplans were skewed for Bryce. He is part of the why. All it took was an old washed up vet and the passing attack was different.

Running the ball is fine. You need to run. building an OL that runs blocks and sucks at pass blocking isn’t fine. Being an offense that can only threaten with the run isn’t fine. If you have a good QB and a threatening pass attack….you can run with anyone at RB. Rookies. Cheap backs.

we just traded 2 first round picks and DJ Moore for a starting QB nearly the size of my middle schooler.

100% true. We could just add more bad. Which has healthy odds given Tepper only hires people he shouldn't to date. I don't argue that. I just wish this "new era" felt like it was truly outsourced to someone else. I know Tepper claimed to hire a consultant.....but it really feels like that was to take some heat of him and little else. Just outsource it all at this point. Instead we got Tepper, his wife, and Jim Caldwell making up 3/4 of the "decision makers". So, I don't trust anything being done given that.

maybe we did keep the best parts. Maybe we kept some messy parts in that process. All a guess. Clean slate removes the guess work. I like Dan. I still feel there could be a lot of similarities to the logic applied when we kept Fitterer after firing Rhule. Well, all the bad was Rhule. Not Fitterer. Now, it's all the bad was Fitterer.....Morgan surely couldn't of been behind any of the 1000 bad moves while he was the assistant GM. A lot of the right stuff is being said. But that's always the case. team has to earn my optimism at this point. you can only be duped so many times in a row.

I mean, I think the common sense approach is a clean start....if you are coming off a reported Game of Thrones atmosphere in house. We are keeping some big chunks in the front office and coaching intact despite the mess that was going on in Carolina. but I mean, his job is to look for poo and get you to listen. I don't argue that.

I'm still not willing to buy in on a reporters word of having it all figured out. And I don't doubt that Frank was singing the company line at the end of it. I think in the end, everyone was universally backing the pick once the decision was made. Other reporting details the there was a clear in house split on it. And I don't think any voices that weren't big voices would have been reported on in references to a split. Same time the Panthers were debating, a lot of Frank world people were talking about how CJ was the Frank Reich prototype and ideal QB.

I'm listening if a team is offering a 3rd. A 2nd is an instant yes.

I think Reich took the job and nothing but Ls from Tepper and gave up. Think he realized quick he had no actual control and power and phoned it all in. He didn’t get the QB he wanted. Got to wonder about other players and coaches too. And he had weekly Tepper talks he clearly didn’t enjoy that were probably discussions influenced by Tepper moles all over his staff.

What pick would you take straight up for Horn today?

Chase looks like a guy who plays football because he can….and not because he really cares to. League is full of them. Think the 49ers are debating benching him for lack of effort….and he fell into a potential ring and doesn’t even try. but it’s easy to see why a team would fool themselves over dudes who all have the tools to be great. It happens all the time. The it will be different for us mindset.

I'm not arguing Chase Young is anything. I'm arguing in the eyes of the football world......Horn isn't viewed that much differently in terms of value to obtain. I don't see a team willing to give up more than a 3rd ish for Horn. That was Young's value. He is just a similar risk for a different variety.

I'd take a 3rd for Horn. I don't see how you could get more for him at this point. I know the huddle wouldn't be cool with that though. But if you aren't going to pay him, that's decent value give what he has proven to be at this level over 3 years.

I would not take the deal as presented here. I would deal Horn though. But yeah, if a team wants to take a high risk gamble for a decent draft pick? I'd take that all day for Horn. But realistically that pick ain't going to be what the huddle thinks he is worth.

I mean, Chase Young? Chase Young was DROY and a Pro Bowler. He has crazy physical gifts and a hopeful opening to the NFL to fool people with. I don't see how we can put a corner that never plays in a different tier. They just fooling you slightly different.

Oh, I'm probably taking that deal if you are giving a 3rd. Give me a 3rd and Jerry. Because Horn is walking if I am the GM. And we ain't doing diddly as a franchise from now until the time he walks.

probably, Jerry, Chase, Horn at least have NFL tools to fool yourself over. Bryce is a unicorn attempting to defy the positional rules.

we probably couldn't' get a backup long snapper for TMJ

I mean, it's hard to even wrap your head around the tech jumps that will come in the next 20 years. But if they could essentially end up putting that tech in some rather normal looking glasses?