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yeah, but the actual jersey Bryce Young is wearing is not the same jersey you are buying from Fanatics. it's why the fine print on even the highest tier jersey you can buy.....is very specific. And they use words like inspired, closest to, better than lower variants.

my understanding is a big time throw, could be a 5-10 yard slant to Adam Thielen given AT isn't going to separate.

93% of his pass attempts last year are post benching to final game (starting with Denver).

or....their job is to sell as many jersey's as humanly possible. Which mean like products all over the map.....they are designed to intentionally have a shorten shelf life....so that you have to buy more. They don't want you to buy a jersey someone's rookie season and it last for their career. They need you to comeback and buy it again.

It's a really just a weird anomaly of a stat IMO For example, Bryce essentially had the worst on target % in the NFL last year. That stat wouldn't lead you to believe that was also true. He throws shorter than almost the entire league on average. He naturally plays a more risk adverse brand of football. So despite bringing heaviest % of off target throws to anyone on that graph.....they aren't all that aggressive and he is missing into the sideline for example often, thus....aren't deemed "turnover worthy". Which is fine. It's smart football for us. But it's also why the ceiling of everything is just so low.

that's the element of surprise for you. A good playcall. GB clearly not playing such a call in any fashion.

I'd love to see the cherry pick that has Bryce Young as a top 10 QB. But I mean, if you are going to cherry pick it down to 3 games......then he isn't going to compare to the others if you were to afford them the same cherry pick logic. His best vs their best is still going to be.....miles apart. but that's the Bryce Young game at this point. And if you got to erase 85% of someone's play to make the argument.......that's not a good argument. I don't see the real gripe to be honest. I just think he has a low ceiling. I'm not advocating to bench him, get rid of him, or anything. In fact, I said, I think he can be a serviceable starter. He just doesn't have the tools IMO nor has shown enough to IMO to believe he can be much more than that at this level. Therefore, he isn't a big picture solution.

well, if you compare him vs his peers based on facts and stats......that would favor my side of things vs yours. Would it not? because again, even when you uniquely cherry pick Bryce down to only games folks want to acknowledge (which means ruling out most of his NFL career).......where does that leave him?

I expect Bryce to probably regress a little the first half of the year vs where he left off and then improve some (he is young, I consider last year his rookie year in large part, and folks will study that film hard). I think he will be a serviceable starter. Low end of the middle of the pack. So like 20ish range in terms of starters.

the QB sneak isn't my hill. Best 4th and 1 play (push tush excluded) IMO is a Cam or Lamar direct snap not under C, not a sneak. Which means you can't sell out completely in the gaps. Because they can take it anywhere, or over the top, or pass. But that's for running QBs. if random textbook QB (Stafford, Lawrence, whoever) is my QB.....I don't love the QB sneak. For a lot of the reasons you mentioned.

you want me to provide evidence of his jump balls? Or bailing the pocket? I don't think either of those claims requires me to show you evidence. What do you want evidence of exactly? never did I mention downfield throws. I said, he gets blind to play at the lines because of his size (the quick stuff). There are literally plays I don't have time to search for but have been highlighted on QB school where there is just no way he can see the options on certain plays even if wide open (talking behind and around the line of scrimmage). Line too close paired with the receiving option too close. And the stat I referenced (which you can find on next gen stats) was he is below average at and behind the line of scrimmage....which I'm sure his size/vision plays a role in the why. I have an agenda? Cool. Then so do you. and again, Bryce's cherry picked best play (which isn't how anything works).....still leaves him on the low end of production. I'm not overly bashing Bryce. I just acknowledge, most signs point to him having a low ceiling. And in the big picture, that's not the direction you want to go. He is our QB for now. I hope he improves. Which in turn would allow our O and others to develop. But to me, there isn't much of an argument that Bryce Young is anything but short term solution.

being arguably the smallest QB in the modern era.....is likely a factor though. Making that just a QB sneak convo isn't the right convo.

his on target % had him ranked 31st last year. and only Anthony Richardson had a worse bad throw %

Ravens mixing it up with a random Mark Andrew tush push last year isn't a similar situation. Lamar has run QB sneaks his entire career. And often instead of a traditional sneak will even employ a 4th and 1 direct snap to Lamar simply because of how athletic he is (which even Cam did a lot of) and let him pick his own holes.

height being an issue doesn't just mean batted balls. You could argue Bryce minimizes batted balls by adopting other poor habits such as his jump passing and leaving the pocket. As I said, there are plays you can point to where he clearly was blind to parts of the field/players....which kills plays and opportunity. Which actually means some of the shorter/hot throws when things break down are where his vision gets blocked (and he had below average production all around the line of scrimmage). has he figured it out? I mean, he improved off a trainwreck start. But Bryce Young since arriving in the league (even while figuring it out)......doesn't generate much offensive production vs his peers. I just think his ceiling is low. And that's not in the grand scheme what you want in the NFL. I think he can develop into a serviceable QB, that will largely always been a middle of the pack or low end starter.

Only 4 teams ran more than than threw the ball and 3 of those teams were getting 100+ rushes from the QB spot

In today’s sad world? Pretty much. If he could kick still the gymnastics would be on display by the Ravens

True. We see all shapes and sizes. But the math/odds ain’t the same for all shapes and sizes. Bryce is largely a unicorn in terms of playing QB at this level being his size. Despite the Panther PR of it….there are clear examples where his height is playing a factor of being blind to aspects of the field that wouldn’t impact a bigger QB the same. And I still think without a proper setup….certain throws are off the table that would open up as options for stronger armed QBs.

I mean, prior to the cheating allegation his reputation should of already been mud in a really just world. But we, football fans, love to celebrate the fact 89 was an a-hole to people on and off the field (we the people, choose to find the humor in him being horrible).

To date, Young has had a historically bad year and a below league average year. Bryce not being bad is basically us winning in the short term. I don't see anyway Bryce Young can be part of our long term thoughts at this stage. We don't won't to have to waste resources in the now on a QB and want to build up the rest of our team. The real hope is Bryce can just be competent and let the O work.

Due for a breakout year…. generally you see one of those or a couple before you pay a guy a trillion dollars

I still think the O and talent sort of runs counter to his natural style of play. So, I still think we have a fit issue more than any other.

Matt Moore was doubted after 2009. People should still have doubts about Bryce.

I mean, the NFL is full of QBs who have put together a couple games. Young wasn’t even playing on fire/balling really. It was pretty average play. It was just stark constrast to what he did prior. can’t paint Bryce as any sort of certainty IMO yet

15ish is like an 8 win team. That would be the best Panther season in like 8 seasons at that point.