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combo of scheme, playcalling and how you stress a defense IMO. Obviously, there is a talent aspect but I put the greater burden on Canales given how non-existent it was.

deep diving into the fact YAC is non-existent in this offense is just mind-blowing. They got to solve that if they hope to get this pass game out of the NFL gutter. and, I think that largely falls on Canales.

the answer.

I mean, we need to improve everywhere. Short, mid, deep. We get below average results/production from our short game. We get zero YAC from the O overall. Too many off target throws. It's like the entire O is just a bunch of TEs where the play ends at the completion. I think some of that is the chunk ball O of Canales paired w/ a QB that should be in a scheme that is YAC scheme emphasized.

"Starting in Week 5, Young was fourth in completion percentage over expectation (NFL Next Gen Stats) but 31st in off-target rate. That means he was connecting with his receivers on high-leverage throws deep downfield, which is explosive but also unsustainable. Confidence is high, though, and he has earned the right to build on his improvement." Basically, what Young was doing down the stretch last year may not be something he will be able to maintain for the long haul, much like a major-league hitter posting a high batting average courtesy of an inflated BABIP. Overall, Young threw for 2,403 yards, 15 touchdowns and nine interceptions while completing 60.9 percent of his passes and posting a passer rating of 82.2 in 2024, which was certainly a significant step up from where he was durign his rookie campaign. Insider exposes Panthers QB Bryce Young may have been too lucky last season It took one second of googling to find an article posted just yesterday....to find someone largely thinking the same thing. But I get it, it's that time of year. I just don't feel the need to do what you are doing here given I am devoting and saving up MY energy to drastically oversell Hunter Renfrow.

nothing dishonest in pointing out that Bryce Young had the highest off target rate of any passer in the NFL last year. PFF mentions it. Others have mentioned. I have pulled it from other sources. That's sort of a giant red flag of concern. Nothing dishonest about saying we were getting below average offensive production from the passing O as a whole on the season and post benching. All of that essentially gets dismissed as not actually mattering.....and what really matters is just PFF's view. And their definition of big time throws, how they view/score incompletions, etc in a small window, in one area of the field. Wanting the convo to just be about PFF IMO is the intellectually dishonest part. I mean, what is the actual great insult I am making about Bryce Young? I said cherry picking a small amount of deep throws. The way some here paint it, Bryce was lighting people up downfield at a high rate (volume) vs the league. Which he wasn't. Bryce improved. For that, I am happy. But folks just running crazy far with it. We are at the stage now where if you argue Bryce Young isn't close to a top 10 QB.....that somehow brings the pitchforks out. Which is crazy. If an argument can't be presented without PFF....then it's not much of an argument IMO.

big picture though, that largely sounds like a horrible idea to go about things. Not saying I think they did that. Think the illusion of that is largely just PRish of presenting a image of things working out well. But yeah, you don't want your WR influencing who you draft at TE. Players are going to be bringing crazy bias into the equation and a 23 year old struggling QB shouldn't be making your top 10 pick.

To an extent that’s a little bit what you see with the pass O. Our WRs sucked per PFF. League worst.. Bryce was super inaccurate and off target with his throws. League worst. We also didn’t generate a lot of production in general. BUT…..if you just cherry pick a small amount of deep throws late in the year…..it was awesome. I still think we are striving to get to average O and average D.

he is by far the least physically gifted....but yeah, the only reason a team is willing to give him the option is because his route running is top tier. It's the best on the team. Now, that only gets you so far. Where Renfrow gets into a problem is a defender doesn't have to fully respect it all like they would with a WR that was more gifted by the physical attribute gods. But that's also how Renfrow has caught folks his entire football career.

I'm just going to patiently wait for time to do it's thing....and the inevitable return of Ian.

AT is largely a product of good reliable hands and an abundance of targets than being a great route runner. I mean, there is basically a you tube series on the fact AT doesn't actually run great routes anymore. I stand 10 toes down (as the kids would say) on my prior statement. Renfrow has less God given physical gifts than anyone named.....but he is a better route runner than all of them. I mean, his route running is literally the only reason he is being given this chance.

I'll go ahead and say it because the average poster is too scared to say it. Hunter Renfrow is the best route runner on the team. He will catch more balls than a couple of those dudes added together. It's Short King season! Get on the wagon while there are still seats available!

the top of college football is losing sight of what actually made college football king IMO. If they want to break off and be the NFL's highly paid (for now) development league.....it will eventually be treated as such by the masses.

not sure how I missed this reality. ACC has a former NFL great coaching a squad this year.

only thing that really stands out....is one QB put the ball out in front of his WR and the other threw behind XL

sure, the 6th best passer the last 8 weeks of the season. The problem is when you start shrinking numbers.....averages can get really weird and can present false info/narratives. You can see that everywhere in life. for example, he only broke 60% in 3 of those 8 games. In only 3 of those 8 games did he surpass the average passing yards per game. remove the last 2 games of the season.....and where does he finish in the final 6 or on the season as a whole. People are most definitely overinflating Bryce's play. And it's largely because of the drastic change of what he was to what he became. Which was HUGE. But in comparison to the rest of the league, above average doesn't pass the eyeball test. For example, people largely are remembering him playing well vs Philly. He was BAD that game. XL just happened to drop a pass he shouldn't have and Philly played horrific all game. Or looking at the stat sheet and claiming he was great vs AZ. He wasn't. He was literally one of 11 that game just not messing it up.

Bryce isn't hoping to see over the line. He hops to get certain throws off. For when he can't see over the line.....he just can't see over it. Which is going to forever impact the short pass attack of the Panthers to some extent (which we will never be able to qualify really). Bigger QBs than Bryce talk about getting blind. You can see him on film blind to some check down/easy stuff.

I think in all honestly, the final 2 games are carrying most of the weight in a lot of Bryce talk IMO. During the window where he "blew it out of the water" window......were a lot of games where he was not above average. AZ is largely one of those stat sheet games. Where the stat sheet reflects QB play that didn't exist in the game. That game was all Chuba. Meh vs Dallas. Meh vs Philly. Meh vs Giants. Probably average vs Tampa, Den, Saints. Bryce made HUGE strides vs what he was. We should be happy. But when you start comparing him to the rest of the league.....people I think are going too far. His best aspect in reality.....is his scrambling. And that's probably not a great thing give his size.

flip side of that coin, I wouldn't say Bryce looked better than Nix either though

I have not seen a single post that is making an argument against such people do argue against incredible and talks down those paths

Cam finished 5-1 to close out year 2. 14 TDs, 2 turnovers in that window and accounting for significantly more O. More passing yardage per game and lead the team in rushing the majority of those games. what hurt Cam the most was the adjustment teams made to our offense with Cam going into year 2. Which was what made the first half of that year so rough. Got to think a variation of that is coming for Bryce this year as he returns to the same O with an offseason of film study

not starting a new thread. Fox Sports has a top 10 list of QBs with the most to prove in 2025. Which 10 quarterbacks have the most to prove heading into the 2025 NFL season? Bryce Young comes in at #4. Which also seems about right-ish. Got to think this season is essentially going to be the deciding factor over his career here going forward. I'd put him #3. 1. Trevor 2. Richardson 3. Caleb (seems high) 4. Bryce 5. Fields

PFF Quarterback Rankings: All 32 starters ahead of the 2025 NFL season Bryce Young coming in at #20 PFF sort making the argument in their QB rankings that their indepth stats aren't the end all be all. 20 seems about right though.

reality is the piling on of Frank Reich is just the standard huddle angle we take of putting all blame on someone after the fact. as I was an OG Frank hater before it was cool to be......now the swing goes too far the other way and people will claim I am a Frank defender. Frank Reich was the definition of a .500 middle of the road NFL coach. He technically was a winning coach and above .500 coming here but he is and was NFL average. we were the biggest joke in a decade.....not because of Frank Reich (a dude who was going to do what he does in the NFL) but because he was paired with a dude who couldn't do NFL basics and Frank was forced to play him. That's not Frank being a loser. That's a bad org around Frank.

I'd say there are a fair amount of examples of tank attempts by NFL front offices over the years. It definitely is a thing. But it's stupid. and you can look at our last tank attempt as why it is stupid. Tanking is a front office strategy. One that coaches and players aren't working in agreement with. So what can happen? Well, you can enter tank mindset as a front office.....and then a Steve Wilks will do what he did to make the CMC trade/tank pointless.