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Post benching his completion % and yardage were both below league average on the year. Now his TD to INT ratio wasn’t…..but given we were still a low productive pass O (yardage, conversions etc) I don’t see how that alone jumps him

both had a common theme though (loudly discussed here going into both seasons), unusually light work going into both seasons given what he was..... again, Mahomes, Allen, etc were getting more preseason reps than Young. I hope Canales plays him a lot in this preseason. 3 good NFL games vs the rest of his resume shouldn't put him in the light work tier he has been going into prior seasons with

sure, but in reality, it was just a don't do anything to screw this up game. Backup QB caliber gameplan and ideal execution of that script. Which is great. You need that. You often need that a lot in games. But that's all that game was. post benching, we were still a bottom tier pass attack and Bryce had below average production as a NFL QB post benching overall. What he did have was one of the most glaring improvements from one year to the other we have seen. The top 10ish stuff is just where I start calling the over the top stuff what I think it is. It's a unique PFF argument. Not an argument that is supported by PFF

sure, I mean, rental win now guys are good. but what we needed to be doing, was developing and trying to find a young DB to play across Horn. Because we weren't a win now team.

this is still a David Tepper team. Which means, we are always yet never rebuilding. It's like signing Gilmore a couple years back. We need to be developing players, not renting win now guys when we aren't a win now team.

the Jaguars are basically the Panthers. Bad D. Inconsistent O. But I think they are a more threatening O.

Bryce Young has pretty much been the definition of a slower starter going into every season. I frankly don't like the fact the "easy" games are upfront. plus, the flip side is the Jags are talking about us just like we are them. And I think they have more proven explosive offensive players. I think at best, it's a coin flip opener. Jags probably will be favored by Vegas.

I’d say firing Rhule in season with the #1 overall in clear sight…..and then dumping CMC for peanuts was an in season tank move by the FO to secure the #1 overall pick…..and it failed (because the HC and players aren’t involved in that mindset)

Vastly different things at play here https://x.com/panthers/status/1927478311468331310?s=12 vs https://x.com/receiverschool/status/1925146532061323647?s=12 and its why Renfrow is going to make this roster. Renfrow is a master route runner (specifically concepts in the slot) and has to milk every aspect of the game within the game given his disadvantages. But even here on the outside, he could teach Horn, XL, TMac. Because running that route like Hunter did would be much more impactful for the youngsters given the over the top threat they pose.

Young had way too light of a preseason schedule given where he is as a QB last year. Canales needs to play Young a lot going into this year. Holding Bryce out has gone very poorly leading into both his seasons. Young got less work going in than legit proven studs did. He needs to have the workload of someone that has had maybe 3 good NFL games and the rest meh or horrible.

combo of scheme, playcalling and how you stress a defense IMO. Obviously, there is a talent aspect but I put the greater burden on Canales given how non-existent it was.

deep diving into the fact YAC is non-existent in this offense is just mind-blowing. They got to solve that if they hope to get this pass game out of the NFL gutter. and, I think that largely falls on Canales.

the answer.

I mean, we need to improve everywhere. Short, mid, deep. We get below average results/production from our short game. We get zero YAC from the O overall. Too many off target throws. It's like the entire O is just a bunch of TEs where the play ends at the completion. I think some of that is the chunk ball O of Canales paired w/ a QB that should be in a scheme that is YAC scheme emphasized.

"Starting in Week 5, Young was fourth in completion percentage over expectation (NFL Next Gen Stats) but 31st in off-target rate. That means he was connecting with his receivers on high-leverage throws deep downfield, which is explosive but also unsustainable. Confidence is high, though, and he has earned the right to build on his improvement." Basically, what Young was doing down the stretch last year may not be something he will be able to maintain for the long haul, much like a major-league hitter posting a high batting average courtesy of an inflated BABIP. Overall, Young threw for 2,403 yards, 15 touchdowns and nine interceptions while completing 60.9 percent of his passes and posting a passer rating of 82.2 in 2024, which was certainly a significant step up from where he was durign his rookie campaign. Insider exposes Panthers QB Bryce Young may have been too lucky last season It took one second of googling to find an article posted just yesterday....to find someone largely thinking the same thing. But I get it, it's that time of year. I just don't feel the need to do what you are doing here given I am devoting and saving up MY energy to drastically oversell Hunter Renfrow.

nothing dishonest in pointing out that Bryce Young had the highest off target rate of any passer in the NFL last year. PFF mentions it. Others have mentioned. I have pulled it from other sources. That's sort of a giant red flag of concern. Nothing dishonest about saying we were getting below average offensive production from the passing O as a whole on the season and post benching. All of that essentially gets dismissed as not actually mattering.....and what really matters is just PFF's view. And their definition of big time throws, how they view/score incompletions, etc in a small window, in one area of the field. Wanting the convo to just be about PFF IMO is the intellectually dishonest part. I mean, what is the actual great insult I am making about Bryce Young? I said cherry picking a small amount of deep throws. The way some here paint it, Bryce was lighting people up downfield at a high rate (volume) vs the league. Which he wasn't. Bryce improved. For that, I am happy. But folks just running crazy far with it. We are at the stage now where if you argue Bryce Young isn't close to a top 10 QB.....that somehow brings the pitchforks out. Which is crazy. If an argument can't be presented without PFF....then it's not much of an argument IMO.

big picture though, that largely sounds like a horrible idea to go about things. Not saying I think they did that. Think the illusion of that is largely just PRish of presenting a image of things working out well. But yeah, you don't want your WR influencing who you draft at TE. Players are going to be bringing crazy bias into the equation and a 23 year old struggling QB shouldn't be making your top 10 pick.

To an extent that’s a little bit what you see with the pass O. Our WRs sucked per PFF. League worst.. Bryce was super inaccurate and off target with his throws. League worst. We also didn’t generate a lot of production in general. BUT…..if you just cherry pick a small amount of deep throws late in the year…..it was awesome. I still think we are striving to get to average O and average D.

he is by far the least physically gifted....but yeah, the only reason a team is willing to give him the option is because his route running is top tier. It's the best on the team. Now, that only gets you so far. Where Renfrow gets into a problem is a defender doesn't have to fully respect it all like they would with a WR that was more gifted by the physical attribute gods. But that's also how Renfrow has caught folks his entire football career.

I'm just going to patiently wait for time to do it's thing....and the inevitable return of Ian.

AT is largely a product of good reliable hands and an abundance of targets than being a great route runner. I mean, there is basically a you tube series on the fact AT doesn't actually run great routes anymore. I stand 10 toes down (as the kids would say) on my prior statement. Renfrow has less God given physical gifts than anyone named.....but he is a better route runner than all of them. I mean, his route running is literally the only reason he is being given this chance.

I'll go ahead and say it because the average poster is too scared to say it. Hunter Renfrow is the best route runner on the team. He will catch more balls than a couple of those dudes added together. It's Short King season! Get on the wagon while there are still seats available!

the top of college football is losing sight of what actually made college football king IMO. If they want to break off and be the NFL's highly paid (for now) development league.....it will eventually be treated as such by the masses.

not sure how I missed this reality. ACC has a former NFL great coaching a squad this year.

only thing that really stands out....is one QB put the ball out in front of his WR and the other threw behind XL