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being arguably the smallest QB in the modern era.....is likely a factor though. Making that just a QB sneak convo isn't the right convo.

his on target % had him ranked 31st last year. and only Anthony Richardson had a worse bad throw %

Ravens mixing it up with a random Mark Andrew tush push last year isn't a similar situation. Lamar has run QB sneaks his entire career. And often instead of a traditional sneak will even employ a 4th and 1 direct snap to Lamar simply because of how athletic he is (which even Cam did a lot of) and let him pick his own holes.

height being an issue doesn't just mean batted balls. You could argue Bryce minimizes batted balls by adopting other poor habits such as his jump passing and leaving the pocket. As I said, there are plays you can point to where he clearly was blind to parts of the field/players....which kills plays and opportunity. Which actually means some of the shorter/hot throws when things break down are where his vision gets blocked (and he had below average production all around the line of scrimmage). has he figured it out? I mean, he improved off a trainwreck start. But Bryce Young since arriving in the league (even while figuring it out)......doesn't generate much offensive production vs his peers. I just think his ceiling is low. And that's not in the grand scheme what you want in the NFL. I think he can develop into a serviceable QB, that will largely always been a middle of the pack or low end starter.

Only 4 teams ran more than than threw the ball and 3 of those teams were getting 100+ rushes from the QB spot

In today’s sad world? Pretty much. If he could kick still the gymnastics would be on display by the Ravens

True. We see all shapes and sizes. But the math/odds ain’t the same for all shapes and sizes. Bryce is largely a unicorn in terms of playing QB at this level being his size. Despite the Panther PR of it….there are clear examples where his height is playing a factor of being blind to aspects of the field that wouldn’t impact a bigger QB the same. And I still think without a proper setup….certain throws are off the table that would open up as options for stronger armed QBs.

I mean, prior to the cheating allegation his reputation should of already been mud in a really just world. But we, football fans, love to celebrate the fact 89 was an a-hole to people on and off the field (we the people, choose to find the humor in him being horrible).

To date, Young has had a historically bad year and a below league average year. Bryce not being bad is basically us winning in the short term. I don't see anyway Bryce Young can be part of our long term thoughts at this stage. We don't won't to have to waste resources in the now on a QB and want to build up the rest of our team. The real hope is Bryce can just be competent and let the O work.

Due for a breakout year…. generally you see one of those or a couple before you pay a guy a trillion dollars

I still think the O and talent sort of runs counter to his natural style of play. So, I still think we have a fit issue more than any other.

Matt Moore was doubted after 2009. People should still have doubts about Bryce.

I mean, the NFL is full of QBs who have put together a couple games. Young wasn’t even playing on fire/balling really. It was pretty average play. It was just stark constrast to what he did prior. can’t paint Bryce as any sort of certainty IMO yet

15ish is like an 8 win team. That would be the best Panther season in like 8 seasons at that point.

Maybe he is trying to get fired and they are forced on short notice to let his son run it. Bill choosing the accelerated path. I mean, I don’t believe that. Seems the old successful man is just an idiot man at heart…..looking like a chump for a girl. Just didn’t see this version of the disaster path playing out

I don't recall anyone seeing this coming. I mean, two seperate things for me. I thought BB just might not work in college football because he is old grumpy man and college is about appealing to young kids. So yeah, that could of gone great or horrible. Coin flip. This isn't that convo for me. what we are witnessing right now play out.....this was never part of the disaster possibility/path discussed lol. Really weird stuff. Or maybe I missed the part where UNC hires a 20 year old "girlfriend" that apparently runs the Bill operation and before the season even starts is taking over more than just Bill but influence of the entire UNC operation. That was her getting that official statement made today. It was her sabotaging the Hard Knocks UNC show because she somehow wasn't the star. Seems like elder abuse lol. Only largely kidding. You even got Charles Barkley saying he normally doesn't talk about personal lives of his friends but he might have to check in on Bill because this ain't normal stuff lol. Anyway, it's entertaining. Everything is a cartoon it seems these days.

https://x.com/stoolpresidente/status/1917656042735034782?s=46&t=f55N0zsNFevD-XGJBWj1-A dang, this girl went from likely a high dollar escort for rich men to basically being the UNC Athletic Director overnight. Girl wielding some crazy influence all over the map.

We the people are

I think this Belichick to UNC move is in the end....going to provide some entertainment people didn't really see coming. For as boring as Bill was in NE....I think old discarded to college football Bill, with the new 20 year old chief of staff of all things Bill girlfriend, is going to get weirder.

or when they were visiting with him, someone from his team was just doing some standard smoke blowing at Milore.....which you got to think all teams do for guys on their board they like. I would imagine the Panthers probably talked to a lot of edge rushers and told them things that would contradict. How many guys did they likely tell were at the top of their board or they viewed as the best guy(or some variation of that type talk) given Milore showed up at the draft (he can thank Sanders for that not getting attention)....I do feel someone likely oversold him their impression of him.

I'm sticking with my longstanding view. You can't actually believe anything a team says to the masses when doing PR runs. The real goal isn't to be truthful....it's to sell what they did. Every team after the draft essentially tells the same story year after year.....you won't believe it but guess what we got exactly who we wanted in every round. Steals practically. I think it's all partial truths. If the decision to draft Tmac was made so early.....then why were legit reporters talking about them working the phone so hard the day before the draft to move. if you make a thousand different plans. I guess you somewhat nail your plan.

league ain't ready for this! I'm ready for camp to start. Need someone to get Bryce, Renfrow and Robert Hunt in a photo together so I can upgrade my avatar.

I think the Sanders issue is a variant of the issue an older The Golden Calf of Bristol or Cam Newton faced. Could they of been backup QBs? Sure, from a talent standpoint. But whether they wanted it or didn't.....they brought a circus, attention and demanded oxygen in a manner no coach wants to bother with in terms of their backup QB.

it's not the only way to be a threat, it's certainly important for certain roles in an offense and for certain type players and offenses. as is the ability to get open quickly and generate easy throws. as far as Renfrow goes, I have consistently said he is sort of his own thing and not really in comp w/ others here. It's a niche role/job. Anyone talking about something else from him isn't me. Just depends if we want to do what he does and if he can still do it. as far as AT goes, yeah, he does lower our ceiling given the % of our offense that goes through him and his limitations at this stage in his career. He should be a roleplayer, much like Renfrow should be if we want to insert what he does into the O....not an O being run through him. Renfrow isn't going to lower the ceiling if used correctly. Niche assignments to move chains. It's like a short yardage RB that comes in to pick a random play. Renfrow is best at that 3rd and 4 type scenario IMO. AT lowers the ceiling because we build the pass game off an old WR that shouldn't be the focal point of a pass attack. Not to mention, Bryce Young is practically tailor made to get the ball in the hands of YAC players. So you need those type on the field.