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and that’s sort of why we are the worst team in all professional sports… we mortgaged our future on an anomaly QB….and then pair him with coaches that expect he should be able to just fit him into what they have done. this franchise shouldn’t of draft Bryce Young. Simple as that.

Oh he can be worse….NFL teams will now have a years worth of film on him, all his issues and tendencies. It’s why year 2 is historically hard on QBs and the sophomore slump term is used. and he is playing in a new scheme with a rookie HC and rookie OC. Which that alone sets up more difficulty. Then on top of that, the O is going to be built for a downfield gunslinger. I personally think Bryce looks worse this year. Too much sets up for that.

And I’m fine with that. But, with an impatient owner….that carries high odds of just him employing a new HC in the not distant future. The “we will see if the scheme that doesn’t fit our #1 overall pick QB works or not” approach seems like a rocky plan for all. If I was Canales I would give it shot but demanded I need to be able to sign a legit backup QB in case what I was given just doesn’t work and can transition at the end of the year

Yeah, my issue with the Canales pairing….is his history is all tied the deep balls. Saw it last year with Baker. Deep ball was the basis for Geno’s comeback story and Wilson has always been a chuck it downfield QB. First big investment by Canales was a WR that 100% fit that philosophy in Leggette. Thats not Bryce. He doesn’t fit what Canales history is. Just like he didn’t fit Frank. Only real argument I got is maybe this staff is young enough to deviate from what they have been around and been in this league. Historically, coaches struggle with that. Bryce specific, just feels similar to last year. He is the square peg to the round hole. Geno seems to be the one people really like to point to for why Canales is going to pull it off but…Geno’s aired it out and was the best deep passer in the NFL that season. Nearly half of Smith's 30 touchdown passes came on deep passes, and his 13 downfield scores led all quarterbacks. This rate of success was stellar: 25.4 percent of Smith's deep attempts produced touchdowns in 2022. With this in mind, it's easy to see how he finished with a deep passing EPA of +42.3 https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-stats-top-10-nfl-deep-passers-of-2022-geno-smith-tua-tagovailoa-excel-a#:~:text=Nearly half of Smith's 30,deep passing EPA of %2B42.3.

yeah, prime GOATS can small ball you to death. But they are doing it after essentially building HOF careers and taking all that knowledge and ability into attempting that. I don't think late stage Brees and Brady had great physical tools. But they had HOF brains to pair with their weaked arms. And late Brady probably had the best pocket game in NFL history that help max out his arm.

how would I describe Green Bay.... well, I'd say Green Bay was up 30-16 with less than 8 minutes left to play. Which is the window where defensive pretty consistently mismanage games and give up offense. Which we generally agree on around here as a thing that happens. Almost 50% of Bryce's yards came in that small window. And GB helped him out with 15 yard add on penalties on the two scoring drives. Big picture, I think GB just played bad at the end more so than us playing great.

hard to tell sarcasm sometimes. I mean, look I said, before the season started the org set Bryce up to fail (big picture)......I have never been it's an all Bryce guy. Shoot, I still think he is going into the season with weak options at the 3 spots that matter most if Bryce is your QB. And top it off, I think he is paired once again with a scheme that isn't meant for him. I just don't get drafting him if you weren't going to cater to him. It would like drafting Cam and have him mimic 2nd half of his career Tom Brady on O. It doesn't fit. Say what you will about them, but when Ron/Hurney drafted Cam....they went all in day 1 on the type QB he was. Scheme, plays and talent. It got him up and running instantly. but then Bryce also highlighted his own issues. And he has some big ones given he was a #1 overall draft pick. and I still feel, they are not setting him up to reach whatever ceiling he has.

I think what Bryce specifically does/did....is allows a defense to play defense in a manner they can't and don't vs others. and then Bryce just plays into that largely. which is going to always bring the convo back to Bryce's physical tools IMO. Other QBs can threaten the field in scenarios Bryce can't. They can threaten parts of the field and attack smaller passing windows than Bryce....and more importantly, they can do it in non-ideal scenarios. Non-ideal scenarios make throws tougher. Bryce doesn't make/can't make many of those throws and Ds know it. That's the Bryce issue. People say but Bryce could. But they are saying he might could in an ideal scenarios. He doesn't have the velocity to hit throws to hit tight windows downfield, and specifically when the pocket forces him into a non-ideal scenarios IMO.

well, the argument was made that from Stroud to Mahomes.....no QB would have done better here. How you just going to, not say something lol

I mean, poster also said Young or Mahomes, it would have made no difference. If there was way to actually test that hypothetical, I would sell every belonging I have and wager that Mahomes would indeed yield different results. Mahomes automatically changes the D coverages. He automatically changes the threats. He attacks and threatens a field different vastly different. We have seen good QBs and great QBs play behind horrific OLs in a single season....and they don't default into being the worst team in the NFL. Frank Reich was old, stubborn and not creative enough to deal with an anomaly QB like Bryce. The best QB in the NFL wouldn't be handicapping Frank, they would be enhancing Frank. Starting week 1, Frank didn't even trust Bryce with basics....Frank gave him I what I feel comfortable with you being able to do offense. Which took throws and plays off the table because Bryce couldn't do early on what a bad vet in Dalton could. Mahomes would not yield the same results.

but what if.....and here me out....the pro Bryce Young stuff was coming from people under Fitterer. You know, the people who are employed to feed him that input. And they happen to all still be employed here. when Rhule was fired I desperately wanted Fitterer fired. It set things up for Fitterer to be the sacrificial lamb the next time things went poorly....every time we move on from a disaster, we are retaining a heavy % of the folks who helped bring the disaster we are "moving on from". Everyone argued Fitterer probably could be great and it was all Rhule. We are just repeating the same stuff to a degree IMO. Panthers needed a clean slate post Rhule era. Needed another post Frank era. Things were just too bad or too dysfunctional IMO to be salvaging so much. We keep failing to do that.

grass ain't always greener. people hated on Hurney and Ron like they slapped their mama. It's easier to do worse than NFL average than it is better.

I don't know if he needed a surgeon back there. The gunslinger aspect aids WRs too. Think he just needed a more pass happy O. I mean, imagine if he got the target % Brandon Marshall or Andre Johnson or Calvin were getting in their primes. Bigger target difference between 89 and some other WRs from that era. I mean, you get to the point, 89 was rounding down to 100 targets and some were rounding up to near almost 200 a season.

Well, agree to disagree. I think big play jump ball WRs like Leggette are best paired with downfield gunslinger types. A Jake Delhomme. They want to make plays downfield and take risks. that’s not Bryce. Bryce occasionally throwing a strategic floater or to someone legit open isn’t the same thing as the just letting dudes try to make a play mindset. I don’t think the Panthers have ever accepted what they drafted at QB. And there coaching hires and front offices reinforce that belief for me. I still think they are setting up a bad marriage again for Bryce.

QBs who Bryce hasn’t eclipsed in wins in a single season PJ Walker, Vinny T at 126 years old straight off his couch, Kyle Allen, Teddy B. Think he has to jump all them this year

give me Leggette and what Canales did in Tampa….and I think PJ Walker could win more than 2 games as our starting QB this year. Given that, Bryce got to win about 6 or I’m beyond done

Rattler was like going from Clausen to Delhomme. And the pass game was weak with Rattler. But the Gamecocks weren’t a SEC during that window before Rattler.

Oh, well I'm not. Red Rifle Cincy Dalton isn't the dude playing football today. What ranking metric is that based on?

you are referencing imaginary games that doesn't exist. Why not talk about the last NFL start Dalton played prior to Seattle....or the last 3 prior to the Seattle games. Recent real football by Dalton. He was worse than Bryce Young's average in a couple of those.

all we know factually, is every play that happened is erased and everything would be totally different. So maybe Dalton is even worse than Bryce. Maybe he is better. If you look at his last 4 NFL starts....he certainly was worse than average Bryce play in a couple of those.

sure. I acknowledge we had a rookie making rookie mistakes. You fail to acknowledge a pushing 40 Dalton however paired up in this trainwreck wasn't going to yield significantly better results. good results. And Dalton didn't even win his game vs a wrecked Seattle D. Andy Dalton couldn't even find a way for his team to beat the Carolina freaking Panthers in 2022. A team with an interim HC, that couldn't score, playing like it was 1970. And Andy Dalton had REAL weapons on the field at his disposal. All Dalton had to do was score more than 10 points. He couldn't pull that off. I probably got as little faith in Bryce as anyone here. But I'm not willing to go this Andy Dalton route. Maybe he wins 4ish here. But he wasn't doing much here. Dalton isn't Cincy Dalton.

how do you know we would have won simply by inserting Dalton. Literally everything that did happen, would no longer exist. Everything changes. Different game plans, games, literally everything that happened no longer exists. Dalton didn't even win the Seattle game. and again, 6-7 wins is where Dalton was when he played on a much better Cowboys team and Saints team. They had better OLs, better skill talent and better offensive playcalling. So yeah, Dalton wasn't reaching THAT with the 2024 Panthers that was bad everywhere. Dalton would have won games where opponents just had bad days. Who knows when or where those were coming. We were poorly coached with bad talent overall. Dalton wasn't overcoming that. Which is largely how Bryce got his. We beat Atlanta not scoring a TD. And the Texans laid an egg. I'll concede we probably win more games than 2 if Dalton could of stayed healthy. But I can't really go past about 4ish.

to me those are basically the same thing. Baker just went back to being Baker. Carolina was the anomaly for him.

That's what I hope. I think based on the little we have seen from Canales....a young Jake Delhomme is a better pairing for his O than what Bryce brings. Which is why Baker rebounded with him. Seattle, Bucs. All about the type throws Leggette is a fix for. It's chunk plays.